justice, you know, I the way that I’m at the space that I’m in now is, you know, I’m coming out and sharing with everyone. I really think it’s a scam. I I think, you know, as a former litigation attorney, I was friends with my opposing counsels, you know, friends with the judges. I mean, we’re all attorneys. It’s like a little a club, you know. And for. For the attorney, for the judge, it’s a job, you know, there this is a job for them, and they get paid to do this job. And the way that the attorney, the litigation attorney, structure is set up, they’re paid in six minute increments and so. And the way that the law firms, you know, I worked at two law firms before I went on my own, and the way the law firms are structured. It’s like, you need to build this many hours per month in order to still be employed as an attorney at this law firm. And there’s a lot of pressure on attorneys to do that. And so, you know, the the longer I’m out of that system, and the more I can step back and look at it. It’s like, I want to share with all the people going through a divorce. It’s like, really step back and think about it, these people are doing a job. They don’t know your children. They’ve never worked one day for all of your marital property and, and why would they be motivated the attorneys to work together to resolve the case? Because then there’s no more billable hours, you know, so. And then you have the the judges, who are attorneys and and they’re, you know, for them, they have an oftentimes overflowing dockets. There’s no way, and it’s no fault of their own. There’s just a certain amount of time in a day. There’s no way they can catch up and know every single issue that’s going on in every case. And they have their own biases, because they’re human. And so it’s like, why are we doing? I really feel Manon that this is the kind of thing that like looking back on lobotomies. You know, when we’re like, oh my gosh, we like, did that? We like put holes in people’s heads, and that was healing. I really think that, you know, in the future, people are going to look back on and the way that people went through this really sacred transition in their life, you know, in their life journey, and in the relationship space and in their family, and just giving all their power away to people who are doing it for money, like it’s their job, and and just completely disempowering themselves. I just think we’re going to look back on and be like, Oh my gosh,

 

Manon Bolliger  06:58

yeah. Well, I think we’re going to be looking back at a lot of things, because, you know, you know, when I left the whole law thing, right, then I thought, Oh, I go into medicine, you know, and I would there, I would at least empower people to take care of their own health, which is true, but Then I wasn’t yet conscious of the system of health

 

Jen Mitchell Love  07:24

and then a money system, yeah, that one, one that wants to make people sick, so they that one,

 

Speaker 1  07:31

yeah, and it’s like, you know, it’s, it’s the same. So I found myself in the same place, even if I was doing so called natural health, you’re still dealing with the consciousness of people that are, you know, believing in this diagnosis, and then all the limited beliefs that come from that, and the sickness that ensues and CO creates, and, etc, etc. And they’re not free, so even if you give them something interesting that could change, which, thankfully, some people have been able to make that transition. But it really is a break, like it’s a it’s a new consciousness moving forward, because, yes, you can’t fix it with the system that created it. Obviously, right?

 

Jen Mitchell Love  08:20

The system is sick. I think all of the systems, the medical, the legal, the education, the political, every system, I think, is at a point where it’s, it’s there’s, they’re sick. They’re ill. They don’t, they don’t match the vibrational frequency of where more of the consciousness is going to, you know, which is a higher vibration of empowerment. You know, authenticity, healing. You know, being understanding how we can heal ourselves, being in control of our our experience, recognizing that we are creating our exterior through our interior as within so without. You know, and there’s a huge division that’s happening, right? I feel it’s happening like more and more, you know, where it’s like the two, if you say two, I don’t want to say sides, but just two ways of living. They’re very different. You know, what we’re talking about is very different from the narrative in that other, those other ways of being, where it’s more, you know, wanting to control and have power, and it’s fear, and it’s about money and greed, and it’s like the wounded masculine energy. And in this new space, it’s very much the Divine Feminine you know, which is very heart led and collaborative and healing and and wanting to make a better space, not only for every you know person, but I think especially for kids, I think there’s a big focus on the kids in this new way of being, which aligns with the work that I do at Salice, because children are the heart of it. You know, it’s like, let’s create really amazing children that are learning from their parents the modeling of living authentically, of speaking their truth, even when. And their truth is not going to be received very well. You know, usually, when someone says, I want a divorce, the other person isn’t like, amazing, you know, it’s usually like, not a great truth, but, but by modeling to our children, you know that that is the journey is, is trusting your inner guidance and intuition and speaking your truth and making those hard decisions and having faith and trust and belief that you’re being guided somewhere, and it’s going to be amazing and and as long as it’s done with mindfulness and intentionality, it’s it’s all going to it’s all going to flow the way it’s meant to flow. And we don’t have to hold on so tight, and we don’t have to be so scared, we can really be open to the experience of life, you know, and living it on our terms and with love.

 

Manon Bolliger  10:43

You know, no absolutely, and that gives the chance also to, you know, I’m, I’m not a couple counselor. But if you’re doing health and you’ve got a couple going through stuff, you’re doing couple counseling, whether it’s called that or not legally or whatever. It doesn’t matter, but it often, it’s you know you when you you come closer to your truth. And that it’s truly a journey, blaming the person for the experience that you co created and really and when you’re in it and going, am I just going to reproduce this again with this? Or, oh my gosh, or I can actually work through with this individual that I have chosen, right?

 

Jen Mitchell Love  11:34

Yes, that is one of That’s exactly it, Manon, exactly what you just shared. It’s that is the gift of divorce, you know. And when I share that with my clients, I can feel they’re like, What is she talking about? This isn’t a gift, and it is. It’s like, in the beginning of the relationship, like what you’re saying, you know, you co created this. You brought this person in, and the container of marriage that’s a very strong not only is it a legal contract, but it’s also a very strong soul contract. It’s like this person, your partner, is the person, the only person who can reflect to you all the things that you came here to learn from that space of relationship. And in the beginning, of course, new relationships like, Oh, it’s so shiny and bright. I’m amazing, I’m so gorgeous, I’m so fun, I’m I mean, I want to be with you forever, you know. And then people get married and, and that’s what I love about the divorce space. I mean, there’s so many things I love about it, because it is like the transformation from the caterpillar to the butterfly, and they’re the goo when they’re in this space. And that is, I think what you just said is, is so on point, and it’s so important for people to hear what you said and to really, if we could shift into that space of, instead of, you know, the courtroom system is very external. He did this, she did this, and it’s blaming, you know, and a lot of victim. Instead of externalizing everything, it is exactly what you said. It’s like, okay, let’s let’s listen and feel what this person is saying and doing fine, but let’s turn it inward, and let’s ask ourselves, What am I met? How is this making me feel? How is it making me feel? And of course, the easy ones, angry, disappointed, frustrated, annoyed, you know, but the deeper ones like it’s making me feel like I’m not worthy of having partnership. It’s making me feel like I’m not worthy of being loved. It’s making me feel like I have to do everything on my own. Like those deeper and now we can start thinking, and this is exactly what I guide my clients through. It’s like now we can start thinking about, have you felt that way in other relationships in your life. And of course, like you said, it’s the same, yes, you have and then going to the heart of it all, did you feel that way as a child, you know? Did you feel that way directly, or your primary caregivers? Did you feel them feeling that way? And now we can recognize the gift of the reflection of okay, okay, this is, this is for me. All of these triggers, all of these things this person is doing insane. They’re driving me insane. They’re actually for me. And if I can recognize them and be so grateful for this reflection and so grateful for the relationship, you know, there’s no failed relationships. They all have amazing parts of them. And when kids are created, it’s like, oh my gosh, you could have kids with anyone, but they want to be those kids without those two people, you know. And if we can do what you’re saying, that’s how I feel, we can really divorce with love, because it would be fueled by gratitude and acceptance and forgiveness and and truly understanding what the gift is, what the reflections are, so we can heal them, and then we’re free from them, and then we can co create our lives with new beliefs, and we can learn new beliefs that do serve us. And I think the biggest part of all of this that I coach my clients on, because the majority have children, is when you’re doing this, you are not it’s not. Casting down to your kids. You’re healing it. You’re healing the lineage. It is not going anywhere anymore. And that, I think, for parents everywhere, you know, I think as long as there isn’t, like, drug or alcohol addiction or mental health issues, all parents everywhere want, want to, you know, create really beautiful experiences for their children. So it’s exactly what you’re sharing is it’s just, it’s more mindful, and it’s, it’s helping people better understand it is, instead of being so afraid of it, embracing it and really working through that darkness and getting all of the seeds of creation planted.

 

Manon Bolliger  15:36

Yeah, and I think, like, like you’re saying the it’s, it’s not the focus is not the kids directly, though. It’s your process. But in being as authentic as you are, you created these kids. So are the result of the two of you, right?

 

Jen Mitchell Love  15:56

Yeah, and and everyone has their own soul contracts.

 

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Manon Bolliger  17:09

exactly,

 

Jen Mitchell Love  17:10

chose you to be one parent, you know, say, if it’s mom and dad, they chose mom to be Mom, Dad to be dad, and for all the reasons they did. And I think a lot of times when people are co parenting, they get so caught up in, you know what dad isn’t doing or is doing, or what Matt, you know what? I mean, it’s like, it’s none of your business. That is, that’s not your soul contract. That’s the kids and that person. And they’re learning everything they’re meant to learn from that parent, and learning all the other things from you, for all the reasons that they are, for their own soul’s purpose that it’s, there’s no way for us to know what

 

Manon Bolliger  17:43

that is, no Exactly. And once you recognize that, then the whole blame game stops. Because the only person you can change if you’re going to change, and if change is the right thing, is you exactly. So then it’s, it’s like, yeah, okay, we just, it’s sort of like, these are these are my kids. They’re not my kids. It’s like, they have,

 

Jen Mitchell Love  18:10

they do, they do. And that I love what you just shared, too. Because, like, if you have something you want to change, the only thing you can change is you. And that, you know, feeds into being an empowered, you know, and and and taking control of your life and, and I feel like that’s happening very much in our human consciousness right now as well. I don’t think, I don’t think people are doing it, you know, all of them, but I think people are getting to a space where they’re getting so uncomfortable in these broken, destructive, toxic, you know, diseased systems that we’ve been using for hundreds of years that just don’t work anymore. You know, they’re, they’re getting to a space of of extreme discomfort. And that is, I’m hopeful that that is the next step, is people step into a space of empowerment.

 

Manon Bolliger  19:02

Yeah, no, I think I see it like, you know, some people call it sovereignty. I think that’s a good name for it. And, you know, it’s hard to like, I’m in Canada, so we’re in the most of the western world. I mean, Australia is a close up parallel of the kind of BS we’ve had to experience about already. But I do feel that, if we can look at it sort of like our dysfunctional abusive partner, that you know sometimes you have to walk away and by example and not believe the story. Don’t turn that tell a vision on right like, you know. But I do think it’s when the financial system crashes, which I believe is imminent, that and it’s. Being controlled, you know? So I think that that’s when people are going to have the biggest shift. Because, you know, I’ve from the medical perspective, if people can’t, and I can’t say these things, because we’re not allowed to use the word cure, right? So when people get better on their own, through their means, mostly naturally, I don’t mean without doing anything, but with consciousness and, you

 

Jen Mitchell Love  20:30

know, Oh, totally healing themselves, said it, yeah.

 

Manon Bolliger  20:33

And aligned therapies that make sense to care about your system, right? You can’t impose something that doesn’t make sense or doesn’t resonate. You know exactly, then people start to realize that then what they got, the so called disease, is a type of gift. Very hard to see that when you are told that the prognosis is death, very hard to see it when you know what we’re experiencing right now with these turbo cancers, which are the result of bio weapons. That story like, that’s okay, you know, like me, you could say, well, you chose it and but then coercion isn’t legal, and so it’s located part. So I am this is not a generalization I’m making, but when money disappears, and we’re like, it’s like, that’s what’s run the whole thing, when that really ages, I think it’s going to snowball into a major change on all levels, right? And, you know? And I think that’s

 

Jen Mitchell Love  21:39

like, even when I’m feeling into what you’re saying, I’m like, Oh, I hope we start doing some some empowered work before that, only because I could feel like, if that happens, and people aren’t connected to self and aren’t connected to source and aren’t connected to this earth, and don’t know how to calm themselves and and, you know, center themselves and ground. That could be a very, very scary scenario when the thing that fuels most people is taken away from them, you know what I mean. And some people might still have it, and some not. And, yeah, it’s interesting. And, yeah, I always, anytime I get any kind of, I mean, I never do pharmaceuticals. I don’t, I don’t really, I don’t even have a doctor. I mean, I go to a natural path, and she does a blood draw for me every year. And amazing. And then she tells me what’s kind of off balance, but I heal from the earth, I heal from exercise, they hear from sun and and water and, you know, sleep and stress management and all that. And I Yeah, everything you were saying about illness and my belief system, I’m sure, aligns with you that at the physical, bodily self, the emotional, mental, physical, spiritual that always shows presents usually last, and it is a gift because it’s showing you where you are out of alignment in your life and how you know you can heal yourself. I mean, I just got a burn on my hand, and I love when that happens. Now, I don’t love burning my hand, but I do love when I when it because it was a burn for my hair thing and and so it’s kind of like a line, and I could, I could watch it heal itself, and I wasn’t doing anything. I was sending it love and kissing it and going to the sauna and the, you know, I was doing my normal things. But, you know, we can heal ourselves. That’s our that’s we’re able to do that.

 

Manon Bolliger  23:38

What’s what I find exciting, like hearing your story and that you’ve been doing this for the last What did you say 10 years?

 

Jen Mitchell Love  23:47

11 years I’ve been out of court? Yeah.

 

Manon Bolliger  23:49

I mean, it’s like beacons of light for people, right? And and daring to stand out, because that’s another thing, you know? I mean, personally, I’m the shy type, but here I’m doing a podcast to meet amazing people that are shining the light. And I think that’s all kind of it’s all synchronous to what is happening as will be shocked into what’s going on. This is where they go. Oh yeah, there was this woman doing divorce in another way entirely, you know? Yeah, it was, you know, this now, excommunicated naturopath.

 

Jen Mitchell Love  24:33

You know that you’re still a healer, you just don’t have that title, you know what I mean? And that’s part of the shift, too. I mean, it’s part of it. It’s like getting rid of the labels, getting rid of the forms of identity, and just really stepping into yourself and and asking, what feels good for me? What is my next step? You know,

 

Manon Bolliger  24:52

getting rid of maritime law, right, coming as well, because with what’s happening in the UK now, right? It’s. All being reversed.

 

Jen Mitchell Love  25:01

Interestingly, oh, it’s, it’s all crumbling. I think it’s all I don’t watch the news because it’s too much for me. Energetically. I haven’t watched for since I was pregnant with my eldest, so 15 years now. I mean, I watch Tiktok so I get updates on some things, but, but, I mean, I can feel it in the conscious. I can feel it in people. I can feel what is happening. It’s like, oh my gosh, hold on tight, because there’s Whoo, there’s some changes coming. And that’s, I think that’s the space you know, for for you and I and other healers and and being sharing light. It’s, it’s a really beautiful time, because that is, I mean, we do this work because we love this work, and we want to help people, and we want to help people learn how to heal themselves and how to live beautiful lives that aren’t controlled by these ridiculous programs that aren’t even true, you know, and to help them step into that space of empowerment and help them, you know, really co create their life in a beautiful, beautiful way. And so, yeah, I think while this time, I think is very scary for many people, I see it as a huge opening, because I think, and that’s what I love about divorce, too. And when I started this practice, incorporating the more you know, healing principles and and spiritual principles, the four bodily selves and life purpose and children choose you and soul contract. And I found in that space of divorce, they’re so low that they’re open, you know, they’re open to something. They’re like, I feel so awful. Like, if you want to talk to me about soul contracts, I’ll listen. You know what I mean, it’s like, amazing, and I feel like that’s part of what’s happening in the world, is it needs to get so bad, so people are open to the light, you know, to to stepping into a new space and saying, You know what? I’m not doing this anymore. I know how that turns out. I know what that feels like. I don’t like that. I’m going to shift into these space, this space, these gorgeous women look like they’re enjoying their lives, and they look happy, and they’re very healthy looking, you know, I’m gonna, I’m gonna learn from them. What are they doing, you know? And that’s, that’s the amazing part of what’s happening right now, and the very exciting part, wow.

 

Manon Bolliger  27:18

So, Jen, we have like, five, barely five minutes. What is it that you’d like to also maybe share, or an insight into this process, or, I don’t know, recommendations for people I’ll just leave the last

 

Jen Mitchell Love  27:36

moment. Yeah. I mean, my strongest recommendation. You know anyone out there thinking about divorce, I know it’s scary and it’s hard to think about, and anyone going through it, you know, it’s it’s meant to be one of the most emotionally difficult workest, scariest. It’s meant to be not scariest, loneliness. It’s meant to be the lonely, one of the loneliest spaces, because it’s giving you the opportunity to cocoon and really,

 

Jen Mitchell Love  28:15

Salice is going to start hosting rich for All different phases of divorce to help people connect with with this space and and to help guide them, you know. So they have a navigation system with different breath work, meditation and going through the eight phases, and the mirror exercise, and doing all different things. So anyone out there going through divorce know that there are resources for you. You You can go to the Salus website. I’m creating a Salus university that will have a bunch of videos and PDFs and and finally, the last thought that is coming to me is is knowing that this is your life journey, and you are being guided, and all you need to do is is listen, censure yourself, go in nature, listen to your inner guidance and truth, and trust yourself and love yourself enough to do that. Because when we do that, that is, that is the life journey. That’s the fun. That’s why we’re here, is to experience it, not to get stuck in things, you know. So it’s all, it’s all going to be okay. You will get out of the darkness, you will come back into the light and and you will get there. And that book shine, Soul shine is 30 days of of self discovery and healing through divorce. So it’s really easy. Every day, you just flip the book and pick a page and do that, you know, do whatever it says to do, because that was your intuition, your inner guidance was calling you there. Great.

 

Manon Bolliger  29:43

Okay, well, thank you so much for spending your time with me and sharing your knowledge. It was

 

Jen Mitchell Love  29:50

exciting. Manon, thank you. Thank you for what you’re doing. And you’re so cute. When you say you’re shy, I think you’re really you. You are very, very. Are comfortable in this space. It feels and it’s it’s really important the work that you’re doing. So thank you for doing what you’re doing and having this space for for people to share what you know they’re they’re bringing to the world to change the consciousness into one of more light and love.

 

Manon Bolliger  30:17

Thank you. I think what I enjoyed the most is realizing, in my discussion with Jen, how this feeling of being trapped by our beliefs or how things should be or the systems that currently exist, can be the limiting factor, right? It’s, you know, we can create other ways of looking at things, doing things, and really sticking with the results we have in mind. So certainly in healthcare, it seems obvious to me, and if people know me a little bit, healthcare is really how you take care of your life in so many ways, right? Because if you’re not living how you’re intending to live, then your health is going to end up being affected. So how you divorce, if you divorce, or when you divorce, those are all really crucial parts of your well of being, deciding how to do it with whom to do it, and how much inner work you’re going to do about it, and how much you’re going to take on yourself, and how much you’re going to spend in self blame or system blame, or whatever. You know, this is a really interesting discussion, and I certainly hope that this reaches the people that need this message.

 

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