about what might work better. One of the things I often do when something’s not working is I look at the full energy signature. So let me break that down. Think of the energy signature as this big complex, like, almost like a sound wave, right? And there’s different parts of it. I think of each part as corresponding to a cellular process. So there’s part of the energy signature is for, like, tissue growth, and part of the energy signature is for, you know, repair of inflammation, and part of the energy signature of nerves is for sending signals. And so I wanted to look at the Fall energy signature and see if maybe right. I’ve been previously focusing on just the sending signals part, but maybe there was some unusual signature happening somewhere else that I was missing. And so I did that, and I looked at the Fall energy signature, and I found a bunch of extra signatures that I don’t normally see in neuropathy clients. My best guess is that this is related to the infection the shingles, because I also, in the last month, had a Lyme disease client for the first time, we did not get results, and I found a bunch of extra signatures that I think is related to the infection, and I tried suppressing those signatures also. But one of the unique things about what I do is that I dial in a very precise energy for what’s going on in the person’s body. So rather than using one universal energy for everyone, I dial in just the right energy for what this person’s experiencing. This has the benefit of being stronger and longer lasting and all of those things, but it has the downside that if it’s something new that I’m working with, I need to figure out what adjustments to make to the energy signature. And it turned out that with Tony and also at the Lyme disease client, even after looking at the full energy signature and trying to suppress the additional signatures that I was finding, we still weren’t able to get any results. And that is the nature of developing new techniques and understanding or encountering a new thing in a client, in a client’s health history. So that’s my story on what happened.

 

Manon Bolliger  08:37

Okay, well, I’ll add the pieces that I recall So, and what you’re saying is, is what I’ve understood as well. So it concur. And obviously that’s, is that your experience too? Yeah, just to make sure you could come join us, if you were talking about you, if you’re up for it. Okay, yeah, so yeah, and we’ll talk about what’s happened since. So anyway, so one of the things that I remember triggered your curiosity a lot was, well, actually, let’s start with the first session. So the first session, it you were focused on the pain. Because if the pain, the expectation I understood, we both understood, is that if the pain hasn’t really diminished, something else is missing. In other words, your expectation is that you would see the pain change, right? And so there was two things I’m I want to share about that, mostly from my, you know, my practitioners, and any practitioners out there, not so much for your sake, but the there’s the pain. And then there’s also the frequency and the intensity of the pain, that are factors that matter and they may need a little bit longer to assess. So in other words, his the intensity was a 10 or 12 out of 10 in the acute moments, and the frequency of those was, let’s say, at the worst, maybe every hour. And in between the resting period was about a six. So seeing a change, as in less peaks would be a good sign. Or maybe the peak going up to, you know, 678, instead of 1012, or the resting being at a three would be all good signs. So this is kind of what we were monitoring to see if we saw a change. And I would say, not really, right, we didn’t see that then on our second consultation, because you were willing to continue, and I’m very persevering. I need to know why on earth, you know, is there a resistance? So there we talked about the autonomic nervous system, and I mentioned this burping, which doesn’t typically come with neuralgia. It’s not one of the common symptoms. So in homeopathy, it would be like a standout symptom. It’s a peculiarity. But if we want to understand it, it’s something to do with the system, the shock, you know, there’s something else going on and so on. The second session, you also address that as one of the elements from my understanding, right, that that could be off. Was there anything else that you were addressing that came to mind that you couldn’t remember?

 

Mike Sententia  12:21

One of the one of the tricky parts with doing variable, with working with someone who has variable pain, is, how do we know if it’s working right? If his pain, when it’s not in a what it’s not elevated, varies from a four to a six, and it’s a four right now, is that because it would be a four anyway, or is that it would be a six anyway and it’s down? Yeah, but I think that over time, you were able to see there wasn’t really a change to that. One of the things that stands out, that was really interesting to me, that I think is useful for other practitioners, is initially Tony, kind of, he wanted me to feel good about myself, right? I like I was, you know, I was showing up as really wanted to help him, and he wanted to be like, you know, yeah, I feel, I feel calmer, I think I feel a little better. And it actually took a few follow up questions to get him to tell me that there wasn’t any change to the pain level. And I think 510, years ago, I would have been very eager to hear that I did good and been like, awesome. You feel calmer success. And it has been part of maturing my practice to be like, That’s great that you felt calmer now. What are your pain levels? How does it compare? Tell me that it didn’t work, because I really want to get accurate data. So Tony, I just wanna say thank you for, like, giving me the honest answer. And not everyone out there. Yeah, it can be a little like it can take some some work to get used to hearing that it didn’t work, but it’s so important for taking care of people and developing your skills

 

Manon Bolliger  14:03

and your experience. A little bit of, yeah,

 

Tony  14:06

I think I was a little bit surprised at myself. Obviously, I was being honest, but I’m certainly not. I’d never seen myself as a people pleaser by any instant. You can ask a lot of my peers about that, because it’s never been the case, but I don’t know, for some reason, in a healing environment, possibly, or yeah, in that relationship, I felt a bit, yeah, I wanted to give you as much positivity as I could, you know, and almost knock down a couple of degrees of the pain I’m feeling, but I think I held back on that just a little bit, but that was certainly, yeah, I could feel that quite strongly, and I just wanted to be honest in that kind of environment,

 

Manon Bolliger  14:55

and I think I could add to that from that client point of view, there’s the pleasing come. On it. But there’s also the, you know, what in allopathic medicine is considered to be placebo, but it’s the actual true healing capacity of the body that you know, when feeling some sort of alignment or some sort of care or nurture or love or whatever it is that’s happening. Then it’s like, it, it wants to go with and, you know, we always say, like, at least I learned in homeopathy that if a patient says, Oh yeah, they come, you know, next visit, let’s say, and they say, Oh yeah, I felt I felt really good. And it’s like, okay, you felt good, good. Like, let’s not bring that down. But I will need to wait longer to see if it’s a placebo effect. And I’ve seen that a placebo effect can take sometimes five weeks where the person can actually run with the good feeling, but it’s actually not the right remedy. You know, in other words, when they come back, it’s like because, you know, I don’t want to talk about homeopathy here specifically, but you know, there’s many things you check and that’s when I have to retake the case. I know that there they, they didn’t. They subconsciously did this. Or maybe there was a conscious desire, like Tony mentions he wants to to please, which is not in character, but it’s still the truth. What happens? Well, no, in a doctor patient relationship, whatever you want to call it, we know, in a healing circumstance, not only do you want to get better on one level, but you want to honor the person who’s especially, you know it’s I’m in you don’t get paid unless you, you know, you get better. And it’s that even ups anti

 

Tony  17:04

actually, I think that did that had a bit of, yeah,

 

Manon Bolliger  17:07

because you’re like, Oh, we don’t want you to waste your time. And, you know, so that had, like, because I, last time I talked about that, that has very good effect, but it also has the people pleasing part that could be amplified

 

Mike Sententia  17:21

that’s so interesting. That’s a great point. I hadn’t, hadn’t thought of that

 

Manon Bolliger  17:28

Yeah, well, it’s something to look for, if you know true. I mean, because we know we this is a people pleasing society we’re in anyway. So that was the point I want to raise. The other thing on the client level, which, yeah, I think we briefly touched upon it, but this is the time to discuss it, and maybe for you to expand on what you mean. And this is the word suppression. So now words matter, right, obviously, and, and the alignment of the client towards a word matters. You know, it’s like, for example, I’ve had patients who they come in for a whole bunch of different things, or they came in all past tense, but just to clarify for the powers that might be anyway, and they like they still want to do the operation, even though, from my understanding, there’s not going to be any of the things that to take out that would have been taken out, right, for example. But they’re so aligned with the surgery that the most therapeutic thing I can do is go is, is Let us allow them to do this in the sense that even though I know that I’ve taken care of the problem, you know, and they’ll come back and say, you know, you won’t believe this. They opened me up and boom, it was gone, or whatever. You know, it’s like, actually, I do believe that, but, you know, but they, they’re so aligned that alignment is, is critical. So the word suppress, because we talked about it, and, you know, it’s like, that is a very allopathic term, right? That’s what drugs do. They suppress the symptoms, the expression of the symptom. And there was a disalignment with that word, even though I tried my best to explain it in, in your terms, it it didn’t feel like, you know, like homeopathies, like cures, like, you know, vibrational energy. You try to match it. You don’t go you don’t suppress. And I came up with another word, which, of course, right now fails me, it’ll come though. And I was thinking, why the word suppress, and could you explain what you’re doing? Because you’re not suppressing in the allopathic way of looking at it, you’re using it in a different way.

 

Mike Sententia  20:08

You know, that’s really interesting.

 

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Mike Sententia  21:20

I actually had this similar conversation with another client recently who, um, asked me, when you say suppress, does that mean you’re just suppressing the symptoms? And I realized, uh, based on the conversation with you guys and the conversation with her, that actually the word suppress is bringing up the wrong idea in people’s minds. So now I’m thinking about what word might I replace it with, but what’s happening? So we talked about how the energy signature, you can think of it like a sound wave, and there’s a bunch of different parts, right? There’s the, you know, cellular growth and responding to inflammation and pain signaling. And, you know, depending on what’s going on, we might want to work with different parts of the energy signature, and there are other parts that we don’t want to work with at all, like, you know, just bringing in ATP and bringing in energy, we probably don’t want to mess with that. And the way that I think about this is, if I if we can take part of the energy signature and increase it, that increases the corresponding cellular process. And if we take that part of the energy signature and decrease it, that decreases the corresponding cellular process, at least, that’s the theory behind everything. And so what I’m doing when I work with pain is I’m taking the parts of the energy signature that are elevated in pain, and you can think of it like noise canceling headphones, right? You have a sound wave, and you play the exact opposite sound wave, and it cancels out the noise. So here I’m taking the energy signature that the person has, and I’m applying an inverse energy signature to cancel it out and bring it back down to zero. And I’ve previously been using the word suppress to talk about that. I’m suppressing that part of the energy signature, but I’m thinking that maybe negate or cancel out might be better.

 

Manon Bolliger  23:12

Okay, I have another word for you, neutralizing. I like that because neutral is, you know, it’s okay. And also because, you know, it’s kind of hip to say, oh, in certain you know, alternative therapies or traditional therapies, to say we’re balancing the body. But there’s no such thing as balancing. What we’re doing is increasing adaptation, right? But people accept balancing because it’s a neutral word, so neutralizing, it has the impact of it. That’s what the sound thing is, it’s neutralizing, right? And neutral is neutral. You can’t have a negative association to suppressing, right?

 

Mike Sententia  24:00

Anyway. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. One of the complexities also, so with pain, I want to bring the signature down. With inflammation, I want to bring the signature down. But then also, if tissue is damaged, I want to take the parts of the energy signature related to growing healthy new tissue, and I want to boost them. Specifically. I want to boost the ones that a kid has in that tissue that an adult doesn’t have. The idea being to help grow healthy new tissue. I first did that for arthritis clients, and over the course of a year, most of our arthritis clients wind up not needing me anymore. And we even have some imaging evidence of cartilage regrowing. So I like, I like, neutralize, and then I’m probably going to use boost for what I do with

 

Manon Bolliger  24:51

right regrowth, yeah, or, or rebalancing, or, you know, like, you could use, yeah, it’s

 

Mike Sententia  24:58

rebalancing for growth. Some. Like that. So it’s so interesting being both a practitioner and a marketer, right? And figuring out,

 

Manon Bolliger  25:09

I think anyone who’s in the, you know, in the fields we’re in, you’ve got to understand the market, because, you know, and the words matter, right? And they matter more and more. Okay. Now I realize we have, like, 10 minutes, so I want to update you to happen since, because I think you’ll find this fascinating. So Okay, after the second treatment, unfortunately, or whatever, the way the universe has it, there was nothing, you know, no, no improvement again. And it’s like, you know. And so that was, that was quite, it was quite depressing, in a sense that, you know, we’ve done so many treatments. And people know, I’m a naturopath, and, you know, and I’m a really well known homeopath. I’m a bone therapist. Have a school. I can’t do anything, everyone. I’ve tried nothing yet, right? So I’m like, Oh, this is, I don’t know anymore what to do. So we’re out on Bowen and, you know, we’re, we’re looking after a grandkid and helping my daughter move and do all these things anyway. And we go swimming, and Mister Tony,

 

Tony  26:23

I mistook the four inches of water for four feet of water. So Oh my, oh

 

Manon Bolliger  26:30

my, yes, and so he went, Oh straight down on a on a rock. Now it didn’t cause the concussion, that was likely, but he, he had blood everywhere. Part of his nose was taken out. Blood here, blood here. This is only the third day, and we’ve used, you know, arnica, we’ve used calendula. And you think, oh, that’s That’s the miracle. No, no, I know that works. That’s not the issue. What was fascinating about this whole thing is that when that happened, it’s like the other pain, the one that was the steady went down to maybe a two or three, and the acutes didn’t even happen that day. Wow. Happened only, like twice, and at a six at the most on the second day. Neat. Yeah. So now we can see he’s got pain again, it’s, it

 

Tony  27:42

There must be a simpler way to mitigate the pain than diving in the water. Absolutely

 

Manon Bolliger  27:47

no, don’t do the concussion. But I wanted to share that, you know, yeah, in in Hanuman, what is it called? Oh, my God, Organon of medicine, right, which is really one of the fundamental books for all, all medicine. It’s not just homeopathy, but homeopathy because it heals. He was looking not at the impact of drugs, that’s a different book, but the actual impact of healing. And he noticed that when there was epidemics or other stronger acutes that the chronic condition, and he was talking specifically about arthritis, would pretty well dissipate, and if it lasted long enough, it would actually allow the body to completely rid itself of that disease. Wow. Yeah, so it’s, it’s fascinating. So we were thinking until today, where we have our podcast arranged, that maybe we’re finally on to something. But there this is a clue. I mean, you know, I don’t know what he needs to do next, but I thought I’d, I’d share that with you, because you know that there is a change still. Now we’re only very young into this, right? So day four, I don’t know, but there’s a, there’s a change that happened there huge. And one of the things, sorry, one more thing. And then you can say, if, but he related to that kind of pain. He said, Ah, that’s my kind of pain. Now he he was raised in a rough neighborhood, and I guess this is part of the core, but he could feel that pain. It was like it almost like this. You know, it’s a pain he could welcome because he knows he could deal with it, whereas the other ones this electric pain that he’s disassociated with. And I kept saying, Where is that other pain? I don’t know. It’s there, but maybe I don’t. Know, I’m not even, I’m in this one, and I can handle this one, right? And it just shows, too, how the also, I don’t want to call it the mind, it’s really the body mind, but how we can sort of move. It’s not, nothing’s fixed. You know, that’s why, I mean, we both agree that the potential for healing is there always, because nothing is fixed, right? But anyway, do you have any first thoughts on this? So

 

Mike Sententia  30:29

first, Tony, I’m so sorry that that happened. The that that looks painful,

 

Tony  30:35

yeah, but it seems like it’s got some benefits to it as well, yeah,

 

Mike Sententia  30:39

and I’m really glad that there’s no concussion. So in my area of expertise with energy healing, I don’t have like, like a, you know, it doesn’t unlock an insight of an energy technique that I could use. But what does occur to me, just as general knowledge of healing outside of my expertise is there are, I’m sure you’re familiar with this, the mind can only process so much pain at any given time. I run into this a lot, where somebody comes in, they’re like, Oh, my knee hurts so much. And I do my thing, and their knee pain comes way down, and they’re like, Oh, I never noticed. But now my other knee hurts like, in their mind, it’s like, oh, the pain has moved. But actually, what’s going on is now that their brain is not so focused on that first knee, it can notice pain elsewhere in the body. And so then I then work with the others, and I tell them, hey, there’s a finite number of spots that are hurting, and eventually we’ll find them all. And I explain this sort of what’s going on so they don’t get discouraged. But what occurs to me is I’m wondering if other types of pain that don’t carry a risk of concussion might help some people do like an ice bath in the morning. Spicy food has a long history of being associated with pain and healing. Um, so I’m wondering if those other types of pain might also help in some way,

 

Manon Bolliger  32:13

right? And you see them as now, using the it’s they’re not suppressive, they’re more moving the energy

 

Mike Sententia  32:25

and somehow, right? And I realized that, the way I said, it sounds like, Oh, we’re just going to get the brain to not notice this pain. But if this is this pain has been down. The neuralgia pain has been down for days now. That’s probably not just the brain being distracted. There might be something with like, you know, the brain is, you know, remembering how to feel normal,

 

Manon Bolliger  32:46

right? Which is kind of the, the basis, you know, of analgesics, if they work now, they don’t work for everyone, and there’s plenty of side effects. But if people take them for a very short time and they don’t have, you know, nasty side effects, it breaks the pattern which allows the body to heal. So it could be a pattern breaker, you know that in that way, right? It’s funny to think like this, but we are definitely open to so if anyone’s listening to this and has any other ideas but cold bath, I mean, you, you actually do really, really cold showers, and I but you do, you know, it’s healthy. So it’s like you’ve overridden so much for because of the knowledge, right? So it’s interesting. How else one would trick the brain to give it a pause, right? You know? And it’s right, it’s true, if there is a pause, then the body innately goes to healing. That’s what happens, right? You know. So anyway, so that’s, that’s it, anything you wanted to say about this experience,

 

Tony  33:57

and now just to reiterate, reiterate what you said about, I kind of forgot, yeah, this kind of pain, or, like, physical I can deal with. I’m mute, and I’m used to it, and I did have quite a rough kind of upbringing, and I’ve kind of normalized it, and a little bit, but with the neuralgia, it’s, it’s frustrating, because it’s like, it’s inside, and I don’t see anything, you know, and I and it feels electrical, and it’s kind of out of my control, but, you know, and it’s almost like, Oh, if I see blood or something, I Oh, yeah, I can relate to that. You know, it seems a bit, not really. It’s just my experience with pain, and I’ve been through quite a bit of physical and I can deal with that. And I think that’s the thing, with the neuralgia, it’s so frustrating. It’s like, I can’t see anything, and, and it’s, yeah, it’s just totally out of my control. I suppose most pain is but I like, I think part of. The say, control is like, I can deal with it psychologically. I can see some Oh, yeah, that’s because of that. And it’s like this, I’ve got no idea what this is. I know the medical system of shingles and that, but as a normal person, I don’t relate to that. I just relate to, yeah, the physicality of it in a way, yeah.

 

Mike Sententia  35:25

You know, that’s a great point that so many people have invisible pain and invisible disabilities, and the people around them, it’s so easy to dismiss them. And what I’m hearing is maybe even a note of, like, dismissing it in yourself, that here you can see the injury, and so it feels real and justified in some way, whereas with the neuralgia, you don’t see anything. And there’s maybe a feeling of like, geez, what you know, I shouldn’t be hurting, and that can make it so much harder to deal with. Yeah,

 

Tony  36:03

I think that’s true.

 

Manon Bolliger  36:04

Yeah, actually, that you state something like, it’s really important to like, you know, fibromyalgia, before it became understood, you know, I had, I used to have patients coming in saying, Oh, I have that disease that nobody that doesn’t exist, you know. And I’m perfectly healthy, apparently. And it’s like, but I’m in total pain, and please be careful when you touch me, it’s like, you know, I get it like you’re living with this unseen thing and unaccepted thing, you know, which, again, triggers a whole bunch of other things. Yeah, so it’s very interesting. Yeah, well, our time is up, but I still want to give you last couple of words, yeah, and thank you for this journey to be able to share this with you. And, and, yeah, really get insights on healing and how that all works. I think this is the conversation I love to be having.

 

Mike Sententia  37:03

Thank you so much for having me again. I love having these conversations too. And Tony, thank you for the update and for being part of this, but the healing sessions and this conversation to any of the listeners who are experiencing chronic pain or know someone who is I do energy healing for chronic pain with a money back guarantee. It’s super simple, no upfront payment. Get your session. You’re going to feel the results right away. If you like the way you feel, pay the invoice. If you don’t like the way you feel, don’t pay the invoice. I want to make it really easy to not pay. Me. If it doesn’t work for you. I do distance sessions everywhere, and you can book a free consult at healing lab.org. That’s dot O, R, G, not.com. Somebody’s squatting that. So if you or someone you know, has chronic pain, please book a free consult.

 

Manon Bolliger  37:58

Not too much to add to this, because this is literally my area of passion and expertise, how the body heals. And as you can see, there’s plenty we don’t know, but there is insights on what are things that might mitigate healing, like possibly words, people’s Association, their the congruence with the you know, their direction. So to pay attention to these things, also to do a very thorough numbered, you know, intake. So what is the pain at a tent? What is the frequency, you know the the intensity as well, so that we can look at things in a week in a month, so that you really have something to base it on. And this is very important, to do it in a transparent way with the client. Obviously, you can’t guess their level of pain, or you don’t know any of that, unless you ask. If you don’t ask it, you’re missing a key part of the follow up, because they’re either saying, Well, I’m better, or they’re saying, nothing’s changed. And then you go, Well, so do you still have at the worst? Is it eight to 10 or 10 to 12? Whatever it is? Oh no, actually, no, it’s more like an eight. Oh, okay, and what about the frequency? So we really need to learn to take thorough cases, interviews, for the sake of yourself, your own practice, so that you know what you’re comparing to, but also with the with the client or patients, so that they know. Because the great thing about people is that when they get better, they forget their pain. And I mean, that’s wonderful. We don’t want to change that, so let’s at least take notes, good notes, so we can do proper follow ups. So that’s my my. It’ll share with you.

 

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