Why You Need To Heal Yourself Before Healing Others with Ramin Chemideh  on The Healers Café with Dr. Manon Bolliger, ND

In this episode of The Healers Café, Dr. Manon Bolliger, ND, chats with Ramin Chemideh Yoga Teacher and Bowen Therapist

Highlights from today’s episode include:

Dr Manon (32:21):

I felt like if I didn’t have a solution when they had pain or that could help them, it’s like a person in pain is going to find a solution for pain somewhere. And, being able to offer that it was like, the relationship could go much deeper because I could offer a solution for pain and I could then offer all the other things my other skills as a naturopathic physician and as a homeopath, other things could come in. But I was able to build it because they see that their pain was dealt with

Ramin Chemideh (37:06):

I registered to do the course.  I think one of the things you were not pushing or trying to sell . You were trying to understand me, very, very authentic. And I was touched by these qualities in you and general. I think there’s something right about this. When I see these things in people that has developed this aspect of themselves. So I notice that one when I, when I first called Bowen therapy,

Ramin Chemideh (41:19):

And for sure something that I noticed when I was going to Burbank College is come to realize I might know many different modalities of healing, but I noticed that certain things, it takes time to mature. So I noticed Bowen therapy. Like if it’s a written exam, I could sit down for one week, read the book and just memorize ,but when it comes to working with the practical aspects of it, certain things in life, it takes time. We have to accept that. We don’t expect, we go there and just do it perfectly. We have to realize that through process to perfect, we move toward perfection by practicing. So be patient with yourself, be patient, if things doesn’t work sometimes how you handle these things that doesn’t work during your practice. It’s more important to learn how to respond to this.

About Dr. Manon Bolliger, ND:

Dr. Manon is a Naturopathic Doctor, the Founder of Bowen College, an International Speaker with an upcoming TEDx talk in May 2020, and the author of the Amazon best-selling book “What Patient’s Don’t Say if Doctors Don’t Ask.” Watch for her next book, due out in 2020.


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Dr Manon (00:01):

So welcome to The Healers Café. And today I have with Ramin Chemideh he has been a meditator for many years, Vipassana meditation. He also has practice and is teaching yoga and also now has training in yoga therapy. And I have also had the pleasure of meeting him because he decided to learn Bowen therapy with Bowen college. so welcome. And I think my first question to you is what, what brought you into, I’m going to call healing in a larger sense, you know not like the doctor patient sense, but the, really the student of the processes of our body, of healing, of internal connection, which is sort of my understanding a little bit of meditation and yoga. So what made you decide that that was what you wanted to do?

Ramin Chemideh (01:20):

Thank you for having It’s wonderful to be here. Thank you so much. I think I, when I reflect on my life up to this moment first, it was like a, like a dream. I don’t know if I acted, I live that life. It’s just, it’s like blink of eye. Oh, I’m here. I’m already 50 years old, half of the century. Not that it matters, but I didn’t realize how I got here. It was just like asleep. So I think I stumbled upon this part. I remember from early age when I was about 14, 15 going to the mountain by myself at night and just going to the cave and I have my Sufi teacher was living in a cave there in Shiraz.Shiraz is one of the historic sites of a city of Iran.

Ramin Chemideh (02:23):

And, I a grew up there and actually our house was almost 10 minutes away from poet halfis I don’t know if anyone knows about him.he’s a well known poet from the 12th or 13th century. And I was lucky to grow up in that city actually. And it has different, it has different, very relaxed culture in that city and very poetic and early age when I was teenager, I used to go to the mountain and see my teacher, Sufi teacher, who lives in a mountain in a cave. And I used to take some food for him and go to the mountain and he wouldn’t talk very much. It was just mostly hello. I mean, and I said, hello, elder. I used to call him elder. And, and then I put some …



. And, and then I put some food that I brought in. I left it there for him and just sat down there and he’d make a small fire and just sitting there and doing his own things.

Ramin Chemideh (03:25):

it was very silent communication at an early age. And I didn’t know, I just heard about this story of this elder who lives in a mountain. I was so fascinated. Who is this man? Who’s living out of town in a cave. I was so curious, you know, I’m always drawn to the mystery unknown. So I think it’s a started from there. And then, then I moved to Europe. I lived in Holland.and learnt Duch I studied a native study book. And it was talking about a Shaman who was protecting these people and guiding their people through the most difficult times. And he was leading them by communicating by nature, with nature, with wind, trees, birds, and he get the message and he guided the people where he has to go to be safe.

Speaker 2 (04:29):

I was so fascinated with that North American story of North American natives. So I think all of these things, brought me to Canada. I always tell my friend, I think it was a native chief who called me to Canada in reading that story. It’s just something percolating in me. I just want to go to Canada. Yeah. And then I came to Europe when I was 19 and then a year after I was 20, I came to Toronto and there, I used to practice boxing and since I was teenager, so when I used to go to the mountain, it was part of my practice also to run in the mountain. It was part of my preparation for a championship. And so, so with this background, I came to Europe and then for a year I studied there and then I came to Canada and then to the business, I went to the, you know, to school and studied computers.

Ramin Chemideh (05:28):

I never got into that field of work with computers, even though I finished a school then, and then I met a Sharman , in Toronto who was teaching in university of York and, and he also had this multidimensional, you know, personality and dimension. That was so fascinating. And I got to be his friend by, reference of another friend. And then we become very good friends for seven years. So I used to go to his place. And then I had to go to work the next day. But over all night you were sitting and I realized, Oh, it’s morning. I have to go to work. I have to go to work. And I lost the time again. And I have no problem being there and then going to work and not feeling tired. I just go on to my work and come back.

Ramin Chemideh (06:25):

So he basically cleaned my mind. He opened my mind to certain things that I was not open. And it just, he took me under his wings and you showed me different aspects of culture, human life, and all these things. And I didn’t know at that time, this is really happening. It was really like normal interaction between me and yourself and like the same now when I reflect on and I realized the impact of those meetings that I had with him. And I really didn’t know, I was like, I had the best, one of the best teacher in life and So I’m so grateful for, you know, so much blessing that life has for me.

Speaker 1 (07:15):

And it’s interesting too, how, you know, with the first person was like more in silence, but it’s a feeling state, like something was conveyed that some transmission between you and him and you know, and then of course later, we start to have meaning about it, but it’s interesting that first attraction, you know, of connection, even without words, right. Just being in the presence of it. So that’s funny. because so you didn’t really set out you set out by the vision of the story and then you find through life, you know what some people call coincidence, I can’t see coincidence happen. I think it’s like when we look back at our life, we realize there are no coincidences, you know, but in the moment you’d never know.

Ramin Chemideh (08:21):

Yeah. thank you for your feedback. And, and so after i moved to Amsterdam to write a book with one of the professors university of Amsterdam. So I used to visit him for a couple of years. Every, every summer I go there for a month with him and then come back. And one day we went to the cafe and then there’s a man, his friend who’s training dogs for championship. His name is Harry. And he took us to a cafe and I’m a sitting in this very old cafe called…………] Cafe. And then we went there with my friend and we were sitting there and he was telling me, you came to understand though, man, you never been to, you know, what is Aaron in the city? And I have only come here to see my friend. I’m only here to see my friend .

Ramin Chemideh (09:16):

I love Amsterdam, but now I’m just here to see my friend. This is what I felt. It really doesn’t matter for me where I was. I just wanted to be with him. It’s just so dear, you know, to have a friend and someone who can understand you so deeply. And when I visited Iran, I went to that cave. My, my elder passed away. I went there, I meditate there. I came back the next day I came to home and I slept and I have this dream that I’m sitting in this cave. And all of a sudden, there’s a wooden door, wooden door in front of the cave. And the wind hit this door and the door opens up. Like it’s hitting the wall and I’m sitting meditating inside the cave. I bring my head up and look at the sky.

Ramin Chemideh (10:06):

I saw this eagle so close to this cave. And he’s looking at this Eagle, looking at, you know, the cave and you know how Eagles fly. It’s not like a pigeon like this.it’s sliding here with the air. And so it was, I could see his movement of his wings. And then I had that dream the next day, couple of days after I came back to Canada, I stopped in Homeland for a week. And I saw my friend there. And one night when we were sitting and he said to me, Ramin that dream that you had the mountain and the bird, those are spiritual tools that has been given to you. So you could use it. And I said to him, how you know my dream? And he was just smiling. I really, there is no boundary of mind there..

Ramin Chemideh (11:00):

There is connection. And it’s like oneness. We know about each other feeling what happened to each other and, and humans have that capacity, but we are so far from it. Yeah. the idea of healing and whole idea of therapy is to bring us back to this source of connection that you already have it, they just have lost the contact, or we can drop that connection based on the life style we have. And you are such a victim to this pattern of life and responsibilities and, and cultural acceptance. And so a human has to go through so many of these barriers to just be himself, a whole idea of healing and therapy is just helping one to connect to that side of themselves, releasing the tension from their system, from their consciousness, and then opening their different facultys in their systems.

Ramin Chemideh (12:13):

And so they can live fully more wholly. And, and so that was the idea of healing, but I really didn’t know that was the plan. So I came and I lost the contact with my, friend, and then he disappeared and i cannot find him. He likes to be a loner. He likes to spend time with his cat and his books. So I respect his privacy and I realized maybe time is for me to make the Island for myself, not to go to the people Island it’s time to create a foundation already gained certain things. Maybe it’s time for me to, to start, you know, building these things, building these foundations. So I came to in about 2005, I got to know Vippasana meditation is a 10 day silent retreat. First time when I went there, I was before that, I opened up to I’ve been to university of Toronto.

Ramin Chemideh (13:19):

I studied anthropology and spirituality in university of Toronto. Actually I audited, I never wrote the exam two years. I’ve been there full time. And, and after that I did some native to university of Toronto. We did some ceremony up in their land And then from there, I open up to the vippasana meditation and the 10 day silent retreat it, is a teaching by Buddha. When he got enlightened, he introduced different type of technique for different mind capacity. And we pass on is one of that tradition that Buddha has taught. And it’s a, it’s a process of self observation. And by collecting our attention from the outside world and we direct it towards ourselves, what we feel within this framework of the body that was a training and paying attention to breath, to train the mind, to come to the present moment.

Ramin Chemideh (14:21):

It’s the healing of Buddha. That’s fine. I have so much respect to it because Ive seen such a Nobel people and I seen it helped me enormously in my life. And then I came there to wait to find a way to make it to leave also is something that compatible with my nature. So i was practicing yoga, but I never thought about it as, as a teacher. And then one night I got inspiration about the yoga training. And then I went to yoga training in Vancouver, prana, yoga college. At that time, they are not here anymore. One of the oldest schools in . Vancouver, a yoga school. And, from there, I started teaching in community centres I started teaching and the studios, I started teaching in elementary school to the kids. I started teaching to the teachers and there’s so many venues come to open up to me.

Ramin Chemideh (15:24):

And while I was teaching yoga, I realized people more coming to my vibration when they have difficulties like some sort of pain and difficulties, I was still working with them just intuitively. And then I realized, Oh, it seems that this is calling me more. So I went to yoga therapy school and I studied there, which was very fascinating because it taught me about belief, barriers, how belief barriers can be a determined effort or healing. And, you know, and it has a people goes to professional healthcare professional, and they come back. There’s so much information in their head and that information is a barrier for their healing. Sometimes it’s not it’s not the problem of the healthcare it is just the problem of human mind that doesn’t know what to do with what we, it gets sometimes. And it has life of its own.

Dr Manon (16:22):

I can think of many in my practice you know, like a diagnosis itself can be a barrier because it’s attached to a prognosis, you know, what would the, what will happen if they follow the guidance typically as if they were a number and they would have the normal reaction that, you know, that is expected, but it kind of puts you down or, or a scam. Well, it shows there’s you know, degeneration of disc degeneration. So now we have an image of the disc degeneration. And the thing is we know that it has no correlation to the experience that you’re actually having or the mobility, but when you believe the picture and the prognosis, then suddenly you, you end up living into that, you know, into that vision. And it’s very hard. So I’m very curious, like in your experience as a yoga teacher at that time, what were you seeing when you say people were blocked by, or they have these thoughts and they’re very powerful and we have information, but it doesn’t help. What do you mean

Ramin Chemideh (17:50):

I can give a simple example to explain that. I had this client that had problems with a neuropathic problem and his leg wasn’t getting signals anymore from his lower body. So his light was so weak. And then when I met him first, he says after 50 years, 57 years old and all these success in my life, I come to the place that even if I go to washroom, I need a Walker to go with that end of my life. I came to this place. I said, Hmm, I think your life just started. And he says, what do you mean? I said to him, I will tell you, I worked with him a little bit. And I said, he was talking about creator.

Ramin Chemideh (18:48):

And he has so much devotion to the creator And I said to him, when you were a businessman, traveling to Hong Kong and here and there, were you a happy person he says, no I think I’m closer to the creator now your mind was so wide. You would not stop in one place. They go after one continent after the next one. You’re so fascinated with the amaze of these things, business that you lost so many attention of anything in your life. So life has told you to centre. Now, every move you do, you do it, mindfully, everything you do, you do it presently. You need that experience for your consciousness before you evolve. And that was stopping you from evolving. You might lose something of movement by brought you to activate different dimension within you, which was there, which was forgotten.

Ramin Chemideh (19:55):

And all of a sudden, he came to realize, listen, in distinguish within this problem. So that’s what I mean by mental barriers is how we look at things is, is a container of what they could receive and certain way of thinking if it lower our vibration down, which makes the healing very difficult. So we have to remove this one. We have to show the other way to increase our vibrations. So Bowen therapy is one way to increase our vibration by bringing the body to the relaxing mode automatically our vibration increases because it removed the barriers by calming the body and mind and nervous system. So this is one of the thing you go to therapy and Bowen therapy I noticed in Bowen therapy was communicating with subtle body and human is different. Like physiotherapists. They empower you with information and a couple of moves, but actually this is different.

Ramin Chemideh (21:03):

This is, this is a communication with the subtle body. we have physical bodies, you have subtle body. It communicates with that aspect of us, which we might not be so sensitive about it, but this is a way actually we become more sensitive and attuned to it. And it has the patch of connection or deeper core, the grounding, a space where we call home. It comes gradually, slowly, slowly. That’s why we did it is that sometimes when I notice how Bowen therapy has seven weeks back to seven weeks of work, it’s just slowly, slowly, it gets you there. It’s very humble. It comes very slowly, but it takes you with it. Yeah. Oh, I love the way you described that. It’s it happened to me. Yeah. I went through it myself slowly, slowly. I open up to understand, Oh, there is different, layer on there.

Ramin Chemideh (22:09):

And, so going through Yoga therapy i realized some people more comforted so much by movement and yoga therapy. together incorporated. Let’s have a different path of breathing techniques, and it’s very useful and powerful. I noticed that some people are elders and they’re not so comfortable with the movement. And they don’t like to be told what to do. So I respect their mind capacity and,Bowen Theraphy was in a way somehow to me, those communications and then and mostly happened in silence and they don’t have to move. And it does the same work also. So for me, it’s to understand different models of healing and was to diversify my mind. So I have broader understanding of the illnesses or difficulties within our body and consciousness and all these years, I think unconsciously, I developed this art that I have these lenses that it can reveal to me what can be a good solution or a good medicine for that process.

Ramin Chemideh (23:38):

Sometimes I used to doubt myself and I didn’t have self confidence, but as I, or keep my faith and continue practicing, practicing, practicing, I come to understand that these days, I don’t think about it anymore. Don’t think about it. It’s still, there is my oldest stories, but I think my prison is a stronger to hold on the ground to be affected by those stories. So according to me, but when therapy is called, for reasons that I can serve the communities in a different way. And I was inspired to see people after, after every session they look different, the face is opens up. They come tired, the stress and so contracted. And then when they leave their face and they’re smiling, so organic and natural and their body opens up such a good feeling when people leaves your home and they feel so good.

Ramin Chemideh (24:43):

I feel like I get involved so much with karma. You know, not that I’m looking for it, but I realized it’s a wholesome work, basically. That’s the reason I felt so content when I do this work. I mean, I have difficulty when it comes to business side of it myself, but I’m training myself and I inspired to see some teacher like yourself though, how you go through these challenges that comes through your path. And, and so I’m learning still. And I don’t know if I talked too much, but please………

Dr Manon (25:23):

it’s fascinating too, you know? because I think like you, I believe there’s different doors and different pathways, but everything that, you know, one encounters in, in healing or, or everything to me is healing. That’s I think the bottom line. So every relationship and every, you know, whether it’s, whether it’s the Eagle or whether it’s the new connection to the, the power in hands, that, that ability to be so receptive to information from this way, or, you know, or just all the parts that are such a learning, there’s such a deep motivating learning if you’re into that. And the learning is I just love, and it’s so relaxing, not to think everything comes from the mind, everything is information, it’s just control the mind, but allow the body and our presence and being in, you know, in the moment to, to guide in the teaching itself.

Dr Manon (26:34):

So, I find it interesting, with your experience in meditation, then yoga and doing Bowen therapy, how you’ve been able to to find yet another door that is reflective of the general feeling and space that you, you enjoy in life, you know, that you relate to that is, you know, is holistic and wholesome to you, right? it’s a great show. So I do have, I do have one question. So how has it, and I understand businesses is work in progress It’s always, it’s our relationship to that as well. And many, many things that can come on our path, to understand because I don’t think we’re necessarily born as business people. We’re, we’re born in a different way. We have other skillsets. So everything else is, as you learn, as you go, and I’ve learned everything from mistakes, you know, so that was, that’s my biggest teacher, but, it’s noticing the mistakes.

Dr Manon (27:53):

And then of course correcting and not taking it too personally, you know, not being too hard on yourself, Not saying, Oh my God, like how, you know, I have said it a few times I’ve made such profound stupidities, you know, because I didn’t understand something, you know, like for example, I had a website and I didn’t understand that if I gave away the admin control of it, that I would lose the entire website. If I, you know, I didn’t know that. Right. I just thought that, Oh, you can share that information, but there’s things like that that, you know, you learn and you never do it twice, you know? But anyhow, lots of stories on that, but that’s not really my biggest interest. My, question though, is so in my practice, I would see quite a few yoga teachers because injuries happen, they do come. And especially from new people doing yoga, you know, if they’re not careful or if they’re not, sometimes they’re under more stress and, you know, they may, they may injure themselves. Have you found that it’s helped you by having bowen therapy that it’s given you a broader ability to help those same people?

Ramin Chemideh (29:21):

The thing is when I work as a yoga therapist and people come to me and I explain about their problem or always tell them, Oh, this one and this one, I can help you with it, but it is recommended to, not have any other therapy with it for five to seven weeks. because I didn’t want to mix it. I just wanted to give right. You know, time for that healing. And I don’t want to mix things yet., I mean, I don’t know if its good I think each one is so powerful modality for itself that that it can be applied whenever it’s needed. And so with the Bowen therapy, it brought it to my mind mind for sure.

Ramin Chemideh (30:15):

It diversified my mind, I think since, since learning Bowen therapy at school. I noticed that my depth of understanding of of body and healing and meridians, nutritions ,and also communication or fingers with muscles and to feeling faculty within our body, I think I find it a very unique and I find it that many clients really take notice that there is a change coming to them and, and they booked me for another one. So, far so good. Basically. I’m just trying, I’m a person as I go. I see. And then it works. So I continue. So this is how I am. I get a response and then I continue. I get response if I don’t get response a little bit. then I realize I need to bring some changes, not to take it personally, not to take it personally, but I realized, Oh, maybe yeah.

Ramin Chemideh (31:29):

Upgrade our energy field. You know, sometimes things, what we do is good, but as a therapist and as a healer to work on ourself is so important. So important not to go to the therapy work with not working with ourself. We have to bring ourselves in the right place for this. We need to value this work. We need to value this work. You have to feel worthy and off, you know, doing this work. All of these things can impact your healing your healing art. And it was for me, that’s what I’m talking about. That’s why I’m talking with it. Yeah.

Dr Manon (32:21):

But you know, what you’re saying is true for the patient too, right? Because the thing is, at least when I’m looking at what you know, in my practice, if I felt like if I didn’t have a solution when they had pain or that could help them, it’s like a person in pain is going to find a solution for pain somewhere. And, being able to offer that it was like, the relationship could go much deeper because I could offer a solution for pain and I could then offer all the other things my other skills as a naturopathic physician and as a homeopath, other things could come in. But I was able to build it because they see that their pain was dealt with, you know, and that’s what I’m wondering, like in your setting with yoga now that you can address pain, it’s like, you’re on a journey you’re in a deeper journey with them. and it’s okay for them to have a break from yoga or, you know, from whatever other activities, because that’s what it’s like, that’s how we heal. We, you know, we have to honour the different stages that our bodies are in, you know? So I was wondering if that’s, if you were starting to see or feel that way in your practice as I have

Ramin Chemideh (33:55):

I have I’m still learning about it, but I come to experience those moments, time to time and, and it’s OK for sure. And definitely it’s okay to use different like, program for me introduce a new modality to them. And I know a client that is good for them. Like, I feel this person can benifit so much of this. Like, I have a sense what medicine I can offer to these things, you know? And so far so good.

Dr Manon (34:38):

I’m trying to remember when we first met when you were asking, how do you remember what, your question was? because I remember that I picked up the phone, we had a conversation and you were curious what was your question? What was the inquiry?

Ramin Chemideh (35:06):

Yeah, basically I heard from one of the senior teachers meditation,a senior teacher of Canada who lives in Toronto, outside of Toronto in a meditation centre, as she’s a physiatrist said, I have so much respect for her in a sense of maturity in meditation. And as a human being. I have so much respect for her work and teachings. I heard that she was recommending Bowen therapy to one of the other teachers son, that they put the son too many therapists and the son didn’t get anything resolved. And she was saying, take him to the bowen therapist, but tell him, you have to be patient for a couple of months. And don’t, don’t judge it, just go through the process and give it a couple of months when I heard this thing and I have so much respect for me, it’s like inspiration come from her.

Ramin Chemideh (36:03):

So I read a research on Bowen therapy, and I was going to India a couple of months after, and I pick up the phone, I read about it. So it’s the same school of thought. It’s somehow it’s just very scientific is I like to learn something scientific so I can talk to people in a scientific way, not scientific way, but in a logical way. So it makes And, and so I, I call you and me. I told you that I’m going away. And you mentioned that I could get the book and read about it and then come back in March, When I heard about it I’m very suspicious where I’m going. So I want to make sure this is right place, but something in your voice was so authentic at that time, I felt that the stayed with me, so when I came back four or five months back, I came back from India, but I called, I registered to do the course.

Ramin Chemideh (37:06):

I think one of the things you were not pushing or trying to sell . You were trying to understand me, very, very authentic. And I was touched by these qualities in you and general. I think there’s something right about this. When I see these things in people that has developed this aspect of themselves. So I notice that one when I, when I first called Bowen therapy, and then I, I met Catherine also was very helpful and, you know, explaining things to me. And she was very helpful and she came to the coffee shop and she sat down. She spent so much time to explain things. That’s very nice of her. And then i just came to school. And my first impression was probably this is a scam.

Speaker 2 (38:12):

How can a couple of moves bring so much change? I didn’t know that during training first, I didn’t know this, those two minutes or three minutes in between and the whole setting and the right atmosphere. One time that I received a healing, a Bowen therapy healing, then I experienced, Oh, this is something that I was so glad. I come to a different space of understanding of it. It’s like an artist. You know, somebody showed me a picture of art. If I don’t know about it, I maybe I look at it for one minutes. I grasped a couple of things, but if I’m artist worked 10 years for it, I could enter to the different layer of this picture. So it takes time really to, the right understanding of the process, especially things like healing and therapy. There’s something that I’m sensitive. It takes years to develop this compass of working with it so that it has to be calling right calling. So not everyone called to be……a healer.

Dr Manon (39:18):

No, absolutely, not everyone. This is the right thing. You know, it’s like it, I really believe strongly. There’s not one solution that’s right for anyone. And there’s not one, therapist that’s, you know, like you have to find your way as a healer down the path, but you know what I loved about this. And I remember I wanted to ask you because I couldn’t remember exactly. But it’s the journey itself is when you do something that is still rather unknown and a little bit different and a little bit minimalistic, which I mean, you know, meditation’s very minimalistic. You don’t do much at but it’s funny when we go through this process, you, you know, you you get to experience it fully and you experience your, thoughts and all of the objections that a lot of people who receive the work have, right. because they’re going, how could this work? You know, like there’s not enough happening here, you know, but of course there is plenty happening as you now know, and you’ve experienced, but it’s really interesting to see that development. It’s like, I always look at it like a dance with life, you know, you’re given something and now we learn to dance and, and see how that flows.

Ramin Chemideh (40:50):

I like that analogy. Very nice.

Dr Manon (40:54):

our or time is actually up, any last statement and you know, of course, if you, if, if people happen to be local and they can get in touch with you, we’ll put your, how to get hold of you on our, on the blog. But is there any last statement you want to share?

Ramin Chemideh (41:19):

And for sure something that I noticed when I was going to Burbank college is come to realize I might know many different modalitys of healing, but I noticed that certain things, it takes time to mature. So I noticed Bowen therapy. Like if it’s a written exam, I could sit down for one week, read the book and just memorize ,but when it comes to working with the practical aspects of it, certain things in life, it takes time. We have to accept that. We don’t expect, we go there and just do it perfectly. We have to realize that through process to perfect, we move toward perfection by practicing. So be patient with yourself, be patient, if things doesn’t work sometimes how you handle these things that doesn’t work during your practice. It’s more important to learn how to respond to this.

Ramin Chemideh (42:28):

Sometimes I will say unfortunate moment that we cannot, we don’t have the solution, or we don’t know to accept that we don’t know even in front of the client. Sometimes it’s good. It’s very humble it opens room to learn possibilities. And don’t pretend something that you don’t know that, you know, because people feel it. and it’s about integrity of our work and, and it’s important to speak of something that we really experienced and we know, and that’s why we need practice. That’s why it takes time, this kind of, healing. It takes time to blossom, to perfect. So be patient with yourself and, and all of these 20 case studys that I had to go through first, it was five and 10 possibly. And then it becomes 20. And I’ve come to understand is really needed because it has helped me to spend more time with the body. my hand gets more time on work and I was just gaining so much variance and wisdom by it. So be patient is my message to all other, my friends and myself as students on this path and be patient and, and things that start evolving without you knowing it.

Dr Manon (43:54):

Well, I’m going to leave you with those beautiful words and thank you so much for taking your time to do this interview.

Speaker 2 (44:03):

Thank you so much. Thank you.

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