orphanages. I mean, I tried everything. I was like, How can I at least, if I’m doing the job that I don’t like at all, how can I, on the side, do something that I actually do love, but every organization I contacted, all they wanted was just money and donations. And I was like, that’s not how I want to be of service. I want to actually physically be of service. And from for I don’t even know how long I was manifesting without realizing I’m manifesting because I used to get in my car, drop off my kids at daycare, go and get in my car, drive to my accounting job and just cry in the car and be like, God, I want to do what I love. I want to be of service to humanity and help people. I want to be, you know, in control of my own, basically, life time. And I want to be abundant doing what I love. Those were the four layers. And as you can see, there was nothing specific about hypnotherapy or any of that. And honestly, in 2009 my entire world as it felt like it was collapsing, it actually was being healed. So yeah, that’s my journey in a nutshell.

Manon Bolliger  06:40

So really, your your collapse to to doing what you wanted required. Would you say, in hindsight, that hypnotherapy was the one of the better choices for you, for the for the journey you were on, or did you end up doing different things?

Kristine Ovsepian  07:04

Yeah, no, I didn’t. Well while, while I was in accounting, to be honest with you, I was searching. I kept searching. So I was trying to start and do a candle business that went nowhere. I became a notary, loan signer that went nowhere. I What else did I do? I mean, I can’t even I can’t remember, but that was a handful of things that I was trying to do, thinking, Maybe this one will be better, while I was studying for the CPA exam to become a CPA thinking, that’ll do the trick. But none of them did. And to be honest with you, again, the hypnotherapy was such a divinely guided path for me that I went to sleep one night, and I don’t know why that night was specifically special. I couldn’t tell you, maybe I prayed the hardest that night and went to sleep, and I literally looked to myself and I was wearing a white coat and had a golden badge, but I knew I was not a doctor, because medical stuff does not resonate with me whatsoever, but I knew I was helping people. I think it was just a metaphor. The white coat that I’m, you know, healing people, but not physically, like doing stuff. It’s energetic healing. And while the golden badge, when I graduated from hypnotherapy school a year later, was given to me, and I looked at it, and I was like, oh my god, I saw this in a dream a year ago. So it was very divinely guided. And I didn’t even get any information in my dream. I just woke up in the morning and something just in my mind said, type in, hypnotherapy. So I typed in, yeah, search, surge, hypnotherapy. And that’s where my world just went right side up. It still wasn’t right side up. It didn’t feel like it, but that’s where the journey began, which is why I called my my company journeys to heal, because it was a journey to heal for me, and it’s been a journey to heal for all my clients over the years.

Manon Bolliger  09:00

Yeah, that’s interesting that there are no coincidence. Exactly.

Kristine Ovsepian  09:06

No coincidence is just perfect synchronicities, if we just listen, which is why I’m a big advocate in letting my clients know and help them remember that we have the answers within us, but everybody’s looking for the answers outside of themselves, which will never do it can be temporary, but all you can take from outside information is what resonates with me, and what can I do with that? But our answers are always within us. We just need to trust ourselves and listen to our intuition. As many of us always say, I should have listened to my gut. Where’s that coming from? Our gut is our intuition.

Manon Bolliger  09:45

Now with hypnotherapy, and then, you know, correct me or expand whichever way you would make sense. It feels like through sort of the meditation or the slight. Plants that you go into that you’re tapping into. Some people call it the subconscious. Some the unconscious. I don’t know if you have a preferred word for it.

Kristine Ovsepian  10:14

Both are okay, because that’s exactly what you’re doing. You’re tapping into your subconscious, which holds 88 at least percent of your programming of your brain. And the only reason why people struggle and suffer is because there’s positives and negatives in that part of the brain holding the information from past to present, and the negatives if there’s too many negatives in their stories from our childhood experiences, from our childhood as I always remind my clients that when they come to me, I’m not just giving them, you know, suggestions to put a band aid over what they’re going through, but to really get to the root of it, because healing it from the root is the only way that we’re going to have permanent solutions, permanent healing, permanent change.

Manon Bolliger  10:59

So do you find that the way that you do hypnotherapy, that the patients or clients do, they bring up what is in their subconscious and become conscious of it, or that it’s not necessary to bring it to consciousness

Kristine Ovsepian  11:22

so it can go both ways. I love that question, actually, because it can go both ways. So during the coaching talk, part of the you know experience, I do listen to my client, and I’m always very present in my session. So I listen into my client, because all the codes are in there, all the messaging gets in there. I would just listen to my client and catch information in there that they don’t even realize. There’s a belief that is limiting them or distracting them or taking their power away. And I would write it down. And usually what I write down is not even so much what the problem is, but what is the solution? So I’m very solution based. So while I listen to my clients, you know, negative experience, I immediately put this like, What suggestion am I going to give them to shift that? So if it’s you know, how to unblock them, how to help them release that story memory. And oftentimes, during that cognitive part, my clients would remember stories and be like, Oh, wait, remember, I remember this, and I remember that. And oftentimes, also in hypnosis, they’ll come out and say, Oh my God, when we’re in hypnosis, I want to when I was five years old, and this and that happened with me. So it can happen at any time, but it’s not a necessary component, because really, what we’re doing is raising raising the vibration, raising the frequency. It’s not so much about, oh, I have to remember every bad thing that happened to me for me to heal. No, it’s known and unknown, like your subconscious knows how to get rid of negative information, negative energy, negative stories, negative experiences, and really turn them into a positive so the moment that we realized, as I oftentimes say, the stress, anxiety, panic, depression, these are just symptoms of what stories are basically blocking me, controlling me, what am I reliving in the back of my head that I’m not even realizing, whose voice is in my head. There’s a lot of the that judgment that we have of the self, and it’s I oftentimes ask my client, I go, close your eyes and tell me the first person that comes up of like the judgment that is in your head. And you know, reality, it’s, it’s usually a parent that shows up, fortunately and unfortunately. It’s not that far. You know what I mean? We don’t have to go digging, but sometimes my clients would remember a teacher or a classmate or a bully or, you know, it can be anywhere that information, but once we basically tap in, what we’re doing is through positive suggestions, affirmations and information. We are because the mind. We are naturally, just innately positive beings. We’re Divine Beings of positivity, love, joy, happiness. That is our nature. It’s kind of like, I always would describe it, like a helium balloon. A helium balloon just wants to be light and float right, and then we basically pull it back and tie it to something heavy, but it’s still floating. To imagine that thing that is the heaviness is our stories, our memories, our experiences, but the moment you cut that emotional core, that connection, what happens to the helium balloon? It just naturally, like floats up. That’s our energy. That’s our frequency, like the heaviness that we feel in our lives. Oftentimes, it’s not physical, it’s emotional.

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Kristine Ovsepian  15:59

It’s energies of information that are trapped in our energy field, and we’re constantly carrying that baggage, that burden, that weight. And the moment we do hypnosis with I would generously just say, I don’t want to say 100% 99.9% of the time my clients come out going, oh my god, suddenly I feel so much lighter, physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually. Because that’s the first thing that I focus on, on first session. Because in kind of releasing that burden and baggage, what happens? We automatically feel the lightness, and then once we feel that lightness, we’re like, well, this feels good. How much lighter can I feel? How much more peaceful can I feel? I’ve had clients in the past, not too many, because I do tell my clients, look, you’re going to feel inner peace. You’re going to feel but I had a few clients years ago contact me and say, this is weird for me. And I said, What is weird? And one of my clients, she said, I feel empty. I was like, is that emptiness, or is that peace? And she paused for a moment, and she was like, Oh my God, I feel peaceful, like my thoughts are not driving me crazy. Suddenly, everything is calm in here. And I said, That’s peace, and that’s your nature. You just forgot about it. And she started crying, because, you know, we were just we forgot who we are, and that’s the saddest part, but now it’s time for us to get back to who we are.

Manon Bolliger  17:27

Definitely it’s, it’s the it’s the right time.

Kristine Ovsepian  17:31

It is so the right time.

Manon Bolliger  17:34

One question I have for you, how do you work with these two different notions? Okay? One of them is that are about, I think they say 88% I don’t know, 90% of all our thoughts, apparently, are negative thoughts that’s in it. And the other thought, or, you know, what is also shared is that the unconscious is there to protect you, right? So you would think, how are those two different statements compatible or incompatible? Or, how would you? How do you

Kristine Ovsepian  18:17

Yes, so I’ll answer the first one, and then you’ll ask me, I actually, I’ll answer the second part, and you’ll ask me the first question again, and then I’ll answer that. For some reason I want to answer backwards, but there’s no backwards or forwards. So to me, I always describe our ego, logical brain, this protective side of us, the masculine, as two layers to that, there’s the healthy version and then there’s the unhealthy version. The healthy version is the one that we all need and need to have. That’s why, when spiritual people oftentimes say, oh, kill the ego. Now that is part of our human experience, and as long as we’re alive, guess what? We have an ego, but that ego can be healthy and unhealthy. So the healthy one is the one that you know, I’m not going to go put myself in a dangerous situation, right? I’m not going to run across a freeway and say I’m spiritual. I won’t get hurt. Yes, you’re going to get hurt. I’m not going to go jump off of something that I know is going to hurt my body permanently or or temporarily. So that’s the healthy ego. We don’t ever want to, you know, numb that, because that’s just our nature. So the unhealthy ego is the one that simply says, You can’t do this, you can’t do that, and it becomes the can’t, you’re not smart enough, you’re not good enough. And that part of our brain is really the programming that we got starting childhood, what we were told, which is why, when I tell my clients, close your eyes and tell me, whose voice is it, and they immediately go to one parent or another or a bully or a combination. So that’s the unhealthy part that we’re working with. We we nurture the health. Part and we basically with love, as I always say, yelling, screaming is never going to work. Majority of the time, people are so caught up in their negativity that they basically punish themselves. They are their own bullies, right? As I always tell my clients, well, that person is no longer bullying you, that person is no longer hurting you work verbally, physically or in any formal way, but you’re doing it to yourself, and oftentimes I’m looked at like, Oh my God. I didn’t even realize that, because it becomes our no so how does our brain work? Our brain does not realize reality from fiction, right from wrong, good from bad. It’s just repetition, whatever, which is why there’s the mind manipulation. Is a real thing that people can be manipulated to feel like they’re, like, literally capable of anything. And then there’s people who are given the programming of, you’re not good enough, you’re not smart enough, you can’t do it. And they end up, you know, getting caught up in that story and repeating that throughout their life. So this is where I go deeper into that, and I remind my clients or anybody that I’m even in this situation, that we’re having this conversation to the listeners saying that you are in control of your own life. It’s time for us to take responsibility for that and realize we are in control. We’re either gonna let our past control our life, or we’re gonna say whatever what my past was I had of I don’t come from a very joyful childhood. I come from a very challenging childhood, but I took that and while much of my life, this is why I was struggling in accounting for so long because I was victimizing myself. And the moment I realized, well, wait a minute, I’m not a victim. I don’t want to be a victim, because being a victim means I’m not growing, I’m not expanding, I’m not creating, and the moment I realized I’m not a victim, I am capable of that change, my entire world changed. So that’s kind of how I would describe that. And then if you can ask me, maybe I answered the first question already, but if I didn’t, please go ahead. Yeah.

Manon Bolliger  22:13

So which one was the first one I asked you? It was the the the negative thoughts and the self protection, those are the two.

Kristine Ovsepian  22:22

Yeah, so the negative thoughts is the programming that we got from childhood, absolutely. Because, again, if a child is born, if I’m not mistaken, they’ll quote me on this, but I think it was Einstein’s mother when he was taken to school, and the teacher wrote the mom a letter and gave the mom a letter when she went to pick him up, and the letter said, don’t bring your child back to the school. He’s too stupid. And the mom read that letter, and you know, the little Einstein said, Well, Mom, what does it say? And she said, dear teacher said, You are so smart you don’t belong in school. So then she homeschooled him, and he became a genius. You know what? I mean? That’s the difference between what’s specially a parent, what information a parent gives their child. Because every child in this world, no matter how great or how awful a parent can be, every child is seeking for their parents love and validation and acceptance. So if the parent is giving you the power of you can do anything. You can be anything. And I can put money on this, because 16 years I see my clients whose parents did that, and I see my clients, majority of my clients whose parents didn’t do that, then said, No, you got to keep your head down. You’re just a girl, right? That story or being to men or boys being told you’re not a sissy, you’re not a girl. Don’t cry. Don’t be so weak, right? All that information affects us. So now it’s just programming. But the beautiful part about the mind is that just as it gets programmed, it can get reprogrammed, just like a computer, right? If you don’t like the information that’s in there, if you don’t like the apps in your phone, change them, uninstall and install new ones. And our brain works the exact same way, right?

Manon Bolliger  24:07

And I did ask this a little bit, but I just want a clarifying point here, like you’re putting in new information, but does the client? Do you think it’s useful, or it makes no difference that the client understands that, that it’s unconsciously that they’re saying negative things, for example, or that it’s their upbringing, or that they were told this, or like, in other words, does it work to just give positive feedback, or is it important to make peace or bring up or identify

Kristine Ovsepian  24:51

these acknowledging, identifying is very important, because if we don’t know what the problem is, how do we fix the problem? Right? Okay, so majority of my clients that come to me don’t even know where the problem is coming from, and then when they realize, wait a minute, I remember when I was five years old, my dad did this, or my father that my mom said that, or, or I watched this and I observed that acknowledgement is really the first step, because the moment we realized also, am I really the problem? You know what I mean? Because the average person, because from childhood, was so much of the time we’re told, don’t say that, don’t do that. That’s wrong. Don’t jump, don’t don’t run, don’t laugh too much, don’t we end up not trusting ourselves, and if we don’t trust ourselves, how do we really feel empowered to do anything, right? So acknowledgement is the first step of really realizing because it’s not about pointing fingers. I always tell my clients, it’s not about especially with certain cultures, including mine, oftentimes it’s so difficult for the child to say, my mom did this to me. Because the average client that comes to me, they go, Well, my parents were so great. They did the best that they can. But then your life currently is full of fear, full of limitation, lack of love, lack of success, lack of money, lack of happiness. Where’s all that coming from? Then in that case, your life should be perfect, right, at least close to being perfect. But if it’s not, then we need to acknowledge, Okay, where is the problem coming from? Because if we find it with anything, once we find the problem, we know how to solve it.

Manon Bolliger  26:38

So and that process to identify what the problem is, in other words, what negative thoughts people might have. So is that where you put people into a bit of a trance, where you’re asking them guided questions that allows this to come up, so you can identify what it is, so

Kristine Ovsepian  27:02

that, so that can be a process of when I noticed my client is stuck somewhere, and we can’t get the kind of information I would even in hypnosis, ask a question and have their consciousness answer me out loud or internally, and then they can basically, we’ll come back and we discuss it. But overall, it can happen at any time. It can happen in the cognitive part. It can happen during the hypnotherapy part. It just depends on the situation.

Manon Bolliger  27:34

Okay, interesting, yeah, so you’ve been doing this. How long now?

Kristine Ovsepian  27:39

16 years. Wow, since 2009

Manon Bolliger  27:43

Yeah, incredible. Yeah, yeah. I mean, just comes to show if you’re not happy with something, keep looking right.

Kristine Ovsepian  27:53

Absolutely. That was my greatest goal, even you know, in writing my books, because I see so many people getting hurt and losing their lives for no reason. There’s absolutely no reason, and there’s just as long as we keep seeking, we will find the answers. That’s my biggest message now to people that keep seeking, keep looking. Don’t give in. Don’t give up. There’s always an answer. The Divine is like Unlimited, unlimited resources, unlimited possibilities, where there’s a will, there’s always a way. I live many of years of my life that way, with that intention, where there’s a will, there’s always a way.

Manon Bolliger  28:34

Okay, well, thank you very much for sharing you know, your your life experience, and your, yeah, your shift, and how it came to be, and that you stepped into really enjoying who you are and

Kristine Ovsepian  28:50

helping people. Thank you. Thank you for having me. And I love sharing.

Manon Bolliger  28:54

The part I want to draw out a little bit from the discussion with Christine, is this not to give up. You know, when you’re not feeling aligned in what you’re doing. And it could be, you know, a type of practice you’re doing doesn’t have to be accounting or something completely different. But just keep seeking, keep looking, keep being open. Because in her case, you know her, her mind took over. Her body broke down. When you can wait till it does, hold on. But you know one doesn’t need to right. Just notice that it doesn’t feel right and and then start investigating what what feels better, and what is it? And you know, in that Christine’s case, she always wanted to help people and help people with accounting and doing many different things, but I think she had something specific in mind. And I think you know, if you don’t explore it right, part of what this series of talks on the healers Cafe is. Blooming, how people decided to become what they became, and why they’re doing what they’re doing, and how they aligned to all that. So one of the takeaways with the discussion with Christine, for me, was really not to give up. You know, if things don’t feel right, they’re not right until they become until you find yourself in something that really works for you, and while you’re in something that does not, you know, the body is very wise. They will find a million ways to break down. The mind is very smart too. It’ll sabotage everything and ruin everything so that you can’t do what it is that you’re doing. It’s sort of like it creates its own excuses. But imagine being able to listen and know that you’re not aligned with what you’re currently doing and make a different decision and spend some time really searching, what is it that you see yourself doing in life? What is it that brings you joy, that that you feel, that you’re you’re here to do so, yeah.

Ending  31:18

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