medical professional or the person who is the the therapist, as it were, is playing that role of a real healer by listening in an open-hearted way and trying to help this person. That means that without our notice, and this is the really key point, without our notice, we’re absorbing automatically a lot of the stress and pain of the people that we take care of, and when you’re in a formal role like that, as a physician, a dentist, a nurse, or even like body workers, massage therapists, and the like, who are hands-on absorbing the pain and stress from people. Oh my goodness! Or if you look at like an acupuncturist or a natural medicine person or somebody in my camp, which is an energy healer, it’s the same phenomenon. It really doesn’t matter what the mode is of healing. It’s the point is there’s a healing exchange where somebody offloads something, and somebody else absorbs it. What does that mean practically? It means day in, day out, day in, day out. When we, as healers or healing facilitators of one form or another, are subjecting ourselves to that, putting ourselves in that role, which we should do. We should absorb the pain and stress of other people. That’s part of why we came here, isn’t it? We need to know how to manage it. Otherwise, we metabolize it, and layer by layer by layer by layer by layer, it grows into. I’ve seen a lot of healers get very very sick. In the case of my parents, yeah, for sure, medical people, right? My dad was a surgeon for 40 years, and it was brutal what happened to him, or we develop mental health issues: depression, anxiety, insomnia, eating disorders, suicidal ideation in extreme cases. I mean, you can go on and on. But the point being, or some lovely marriage of the two, physical problems plus mental health issues, and a lot of this is we take it for granted. Hey, that’s how it is. You know, I’m in a stressful occupation. Of course, I experience stress, so I’m going to have a headache at the end of the day. No, that’s actually not normal. Your system is telling you it’s like an alarm bell going off. You need to offload this energy. You need to dissolve it. You need to decharge it. You’re carrying other people’s stuff without your conscious awareness, right? I have a friend. He’s a colleague of mine who’s a internal medicine physician, and he, you know, he said, “Hey, man, it was a doctor’s life. He had a very successful clinic in a very tiny town in Northern California, and and he’s a very open hearted guy, meaning he’s a really great physician and a good healer. And he said, every day I would come home, and I felt like I had been hit by a truck. He would describe. He would smoke a lot of marijuana. He would sit in front of the television, kind of trying to decompress somehow. Kind of numb, not available emotionally to wife and kids, he lost his marriage. Not a shock. And he said, “You know, I thought this was a doctor’s life. Medical school was like that. It was very rigorous. It was high stress. This just seemed normal, right? Then he met my teacher in India, and he learned the same techniques that I’m wanting to talk about these energetics of self-care tools, and he started to decharge, meaning dissolving that negativity very quickly every day. And he was like, in a half an hour, I’m myself again, and this is, I’m present, I’m clear, I’m capable. He didn’t realize how much of that numb overload that he was feeling, without having a word for it, really, was all the stuff that he had absorbed from his patients throughout the day, and building up over years and years and years. You can imagine, right? So yeah, I’ve kind of become the cheerleader for these tools, a huge advocate.

 

Manon Bolliger  09:38

Yeah. Well, I’m very curious what the tool is. I mean, because I mean, the first thing that strikes me is, it’s like you you have to have a relationship to yourself, right? Because it’s an exchange, but really, like what you’re taking in is up to you. You don’t have to take this in.

 

Alx Utterman  09:58

It’s not right. It’s actually kind of. Cosmic law? No, it isn’t. We’d like to have that idea. Oh, I shield myself so I don’t take anything. Uh huh. Really? Okay, but explain five years later.

 

Manon Bolliger  10:10

Yeah, but expand what you mean because we could be talking about words that may have different connotations. But what do you mean? Like, it’s not a shield in my in my universe either, but what is it that you that you’re excited about that you do that is that and it’s not called a protection, right? Then no, okay, okay, yeah.

 

Alx Utterman  10:39

So let’s think about. Let me back up a little bit. Sure, sure,

 

Manon Bolliger  10:44

sure, sure.

 

Alx Utterman  10:45

So, human beings are like semi-permeable membranes. That’s to say, we’re exchanging energy all the time

 

Manon Bolliger  10:52

with

 

Alx Utterman  10:52

other people, as as we should, and it’s part of the the glory. I would say of being alive in a human body is that we can do that. For example, if I live in Los Angeles, land of crazy freeway driving, if I cut someone off on the freeway, not that this ever happens, I want you to know this. But should it occur that occasionally I might cut someone off on the freeway, and they shoot me a really dirty look, right? Like, hey, you shouldn’t have done that. I can feel it in the back of my head. I don’t even have to turn around and see the look.

 

Manon Bolliger  11:22

Right,

 

Alx Utterman  11:24

right. That’s an energy exchange. They threw some energy there. Right through the eyes, it came, and my system might reverberate from that for a little bit. If I’m really sensitive, yeah, I might be a little grouchy for an hour, or I might kind of be terse with other people or whatever. There’s a reverberation insight because they came into my system,

 

Manon Bolliger  11:45

yeah,

 

Alx Utterman  11:45

as an energy packet. It’s not like I can say, oh no, no, I I’m going to deflect that or something, or I don’t accept that that occurs because it does. So here’s the deal: we exist in these forms, and what they will say in India, which I’m steeped in for almost 30 years now, in in Vedic understanding, Veda just meaning knowledge. It doesn’t mean a religion. It’s not a whatever. It’s just like the the mechanics of how the creation operates. They will say everything in the creation is composed of these five elements of nature: the earth, the fire, the sky or ether, the water, and the air, and that every form is a configuration of the elements. What happens, practically speaking, when we engage with someone is, it’s like our five elements form is helping their five elements form, release some imbalance in those elements. Okay, that is going to go somewhere. It doesn’t just dissipate on the spot, and unfortunately, majority it will come to the person who facilitated that shift. Now, I will say this: if someone says internally, “Hey, I’m just a tool in the creation, you know, I’m an instrument of whatever your language for the sacred is of God, of Jesus, of Buddha, of nature. I’m just an instrument for the cosmic intelligence. I learned some techniques. I’m helping this person. Then 98% of what they offload will automatically go back to the source. That is true. Contrast that with Western medical, which I saw, for example, with my dad, who was a surgeon. I went to medical school. I learned the techniques. I’m the healer. I did the work. I saved that person’s life. 100% of those karmas, 100% of their exchange, comes to that person. So if we’re really smart, we do have that layer of detachment from the I did this. I’m so grateful. So there is right. That is. So there is the

 

Manon Bolliger  13:47

philosophical difference, right? Because I mean, that is

 

Alx Utterman  13:50

there’s an energetic difference, a practical difference,

 

Manon Bolliger  13:53

of course. But it’s it’s also based on fundamentally how you see the world. Yes. If yeah, so okay, go on. I just want to cafe. It does matter

 

Alx Utterman  14:04

a lot. So the other thing is like when you have an open heart, nobody goes into a service occupation without having an open heart. They want to help, whether it’s a school teacher or a psychotherapist or a medical professional or what have you, right? We’re all in that boat. We want to help. That means the heart is already fairly open in terms of doing service. The more open the heart is of a practitioner, the more it’s like a giant sponge for all the crap. So we know very well a sponge is pretty useless once it’s saturated.

 

Manon Bolliger  14:39

Yes,

 

Alx Utterman  14:40

it won’t absorb anymore. Got to wring it out. The tools that I share are wringing it out effectively. I think that’s the easiest way to say it. So, for example, I had friends and family on the front lines during the COVID pandemic, healthcare folks who one lady had. Come out of nursing school, and that was her first assignment. Was COVID wards, and seeing so many people die traumatically, and seeing the physicians freak out because they were just crying because they didn’t know in the beginning how to treat this at all, and people were just dying left, right, and center. It was it was heavy, and I thought, oh my gosh, I better share these tools because it could prevent people in the healthcare professions from really going down. And we saw many like people after COVID, they left nursing, they left medicine. They were like, I’m done. I couldn’t. The PTSD is too much, right? So my friends and family members who use the tools-they’re like they’re fine. They’re still in the medical field. They’re okay. The ones who didn’t are everything you would imagine-big hot messes with mental health issues, addiction issues, physical health issues, depression, PTSD, and the rest of it. So yes, there’s this mystery of what we take on, even though we don’t want to. Yeah, that’s immaterial. It’s it’s a it’s a function of the human system and the human heart that we will do that, in varying degrees. Yes, but it’s it’s kind of like a law of nature, and you know, like like my friend the doctor. He was like, “Well, I just thought that was a doctor’s life. That was normal. Of course, you’re going to be stressed out and feel miserable all the time. That’s fine,

 

Manon Bolliger  16:27

right?

 

Alx Utterman  16:28

No, it’s not.

 

Manon Bolliger  16:29

But but let’s let’s go back to the open heart. Again, I’m getting clarity here. Like, there’s a difference between empathy and sympathy on an emotional intake level, right?

 

Alx Utterman  16:48

Yes,

 

Manon Bolliger  16:49

doesn’t mean that you can’t be loving, but and it doesn’t mean that you’ve put up walls like you know those people who’ll never fall in love again. Right, we know what happens, you know. So it’s not a story, but it is again a different perspective. It’s a point of view in which your your witness to the human journey of which you can be filled with love, but it doesn’t mean that you’re there for the sponge. Like I’m just questioning that whole thing. You know,

 

Alx Utterman  17:34

honestly, it really does. Whether we feel okay, but just prove it.

 

Manon Bolliger  17:38

Let’s go. Whether

 

Alx Utterman  17:40

I’m saying, hey, you know, I’m really empathizing with you right now, but I’m not like in it 1,000% with you. Yeah, yeah, we’re still receiving through those elements. If somebody is overloading, then we are receiving it.

 

Manon Bolliger  17:53

Yeah. Okay, and I’m not going to say no to that because, of course, right. Like, there’s got to be something going on, right? But but I do find, let’s say, in my 30 years, that the beginning-I mean, every story-I would bawl my eyes out. Like it was so sad and so horrific and so unbelievable. You know, like whatever. You know, I’m thinking some of the stories, like they took her uterus out because she was complaining from period pains, and she was coming in to see me for fertility. And it’s like, oh, how sad! Can you, you know, like this is crazy stuff, right? Major malpractice, and I’m like, you know, and then you know, and then you harden isn’t the right word, because it’s not like I then would listen to that, but but then it becomes like, well, yeah, that’s another person with the wrong leg amputated, or whatever the story. I’m picking highlights, you know, but but something changes in not your love for the person and your ability to help, but in how much that exchange will negatively impact you. You know that’s how skills to me. But but maybe

 

Alx Utterman  19:17

you’re

 

Manon Bolliger  19:17

teaching. Maybe what you’re teaching, I’m doing unconsciously. Like I don’t know what it is, right? But what is that you? Whenever you teach that, go ahead.

 

Alx Utterman  19:27

So yeah, I do want to address that a little bit. I think in the beginning, as healers, everybody’s a big, wide open. Oh yeah,

 

Manon Bolliger  19:36

I do. I mean, even when I was studying, I was getting every disease that you could get right, just to be sure. Of course, it was

 

Alx Utterman  19:43

right. Yeah.

 

Manon Bolliger  19:45

So I get it. I totally get it. Yeah, and and there is a kind of detachment that comes with experience, but it doesn’t mean that we’re not receiving the pain of the people. On the I would say on the sock. Manon Bolliger here, and I want to thank you for taking action. Steps towards engaging your healing journey and helping others discover their path by watching, sharing, subscribing, and reviewing these podcasts. Every review and share helps spread the word on these different perspectives and choices and options for healing, and to thank you, I’d like to invite you to sign up to my free seven sequence email tips on health and healing for everyday life. And you can go to healerscafe.com. tips. Thanks so much.

 

Alx Utterman  20:41

Subtle level on the energetic level, and it also happens after a certain point when you go through enough times that you’ve really absorbed and absorbed and absorbed, that the sensitivity level is diminished because there’s not that much room in the sponge anymore. My sister, who’s a nurse, she was an ICU nurse. She would say, “Yeah, you know, she said when I started nursing, she said I noticed there were two kinds of nurses: the big, open-hearted, empathetic, loving ones who want to do everything for everybody, and then the older, like bitchy, cynical ones. And she was like, there really isn’t any between. And I thought later, you know, when I learned about all this, I was like, oh my god, of course, because they’ve just their cup is too full, man. They can’t take in anymore, and so they’re just hard and kind of cynical and like, yeah, you’re suffering too bad. Well, okay, I’ll help, right? So, and here’s the crazy thing: we should be not pathetically, emotively open-hearted. That’s ridiculous. That really doesn’t help anybody. But we should be open-hearted, and we should also be very clear as vehicles for healing, regardless again of particular modality or profession, so that we’re functioning at our best. So we’re really able to be present with the person and not carrying all these crazy overlays. I’ll tell another story, and then I’ll explain one of the techniques that I teach. Okay. So I had a beautiful lady came to me, really sharp, clear woman. She had been a marine in her youth, just like tiny little compact. She was about 40 something, and her whole life was idyllic. She had a great husband, a beautiful home, enough money, wonderful kids, the whole gamut. Everything was like lovely, and I was like, “Then why is she here? Why is she coming to me for healing? Well, it turned out that her husband-they were like high school sweethearts, so now they’re in their 40s, right? And over the last, you know, five years or so, he had really turned into this nitpicking, perfectionist, egoic kind of nightmare. She said, “You know, I’m trying to like regroup the tile in our kitchen, and he’s like, “Oh, you missed a spot there. Oh, this. Oh, that. And he had just become like this really anally retentive, nasty, critical person. And she said, “I something’s got to give, or I can’t, I can’t continue doing this, and so I’m looking from every conceivable angle that I know as a healer, and I’m like, wow, this is really strange. Like, what would precipitate such a, you know, thing in somebody? And finally, after like a half an hour of back and forth and this and that, came to me, hey, what’s his occupation? So he’s a chiropractor, and a really successful chiropractor with a massive practice for like 2530, years, and I’m like, oh my god, he’s absorbing from all the people over so much time, and it’s turned him. It’s not his stuff. He’s not probably naturally that egoic and nasty, but it’s turned really toxic in his system. And where is he putting it out? He’s putting it onto the wife, who’s like, “This is not okay. And I thought, “Oh my God! I had seen another chiropractor when we were teaching some of these techniques at one point. The guy-I’m not joking-the guy is laying down in the back of the room during a workshop because he can’t sit up because his back hurts so much. His back hurts so much, and he’s a chiropractor. Okay, and he’s perfectly happy laying on his back taking the instruction. And then we got to this point about offloading this dress. He said, “Oh yeah, I I do that between every client. I wash my hands. I’m great. I’m looking at this man who cannot sit in a chair, and I’m like, well, actually, no, you’re not great. And this is a natural development from what you’ve been doing successfully as this kind of healer for X amount of years or decades or whatever, and no way to dissolve what it is that you’re carrying so clearly. But by that time, the egoism is so entrenched and the and the denial is so extreme.

 

Manon Bolliger  24:54

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, good

 

Alx Utterman  24:56

luck trying to trying to break through that one. Oh, I wash my hands. Efficient, uh huh, really? That’s like you know, Monty Python, the Holy Grail. It’s like no nonsense. Well, yeah, uh huh. Okay, sure. You have no legs, but sure, good for you, right?

 

Manon Bolliger  25:13

Yeah.

 

Alx Utterman  25:14

So it’s like that. So yes, one of the techniques. I there there’s a whole array of tools that are so stupid simple that people tend to laugh them off or feel like no that could have possibly worked, and they all link to concretized examples of the five elements of nature from which we are made, and this is a much much longer huge discussion about how and why it works, but I will say one of the simplest, easiest ways to deal with it is so a couple things. The first thing is somebody needs to figure out that they’re off, right? And as you said at the beginning, you have to have a relationship with yourself to know where is my stasis point. Where am I peaceable and happy and clear? And if anything is deviating from that, then we have a problem and we need to offload something. And it could take the form of pain in the physical body. It could be something as deep as PTSD. It could be anxiety, depression, eating disorders, can’t sleep, terrible dreams, etc. can also be obsessive thoughts. Like somebody who can’t leave the work at work, yeah, they’re still chewing on the case hours later. They’re still thinking about that poor person who had that thing, and oh my god, oh my god, and what do I do? And I can’t stop thinking about it. That’s an energy cycling in the system. That’s not a cycle. No, for

 

Manon Bolliger  26:38

sure, for sure, yeah,

 

Alx Utterman  26:39

right. Okay, so how do we take those packets out and get rid of them through the concretized examples of the elements of which were made? So, I think for this conversation, let’s talk about the earth element.

 

Manon Bolliger  26:52

The

 

Alx Utterman  26:53

earth element is the most gross, dense of all the elements, right? Everything that’s in physicalized form, whether it’s my iPhone or my necklace or whatever, has some component of earth element, right? It’s solid.

 

Speaker 1  27:05

Yeah.

 

Alx Utterman  27:06

In our system, it’s the bones mostly. Those things that even when you die and they cremate your body, for example, still the bones are there, right? It still remains. It’s earth element. It’s gross, dense matter. In the Earth element, what we know about the Earth generally, the Big Earth, is that it’s characterized by gravity, right? Magnetism. Boom! If I drop something on the floor, it’s always going to fall to the floor because it pulls toward itself. It’s like a giant magnet. In our system, that’s where we tend to hold the most. We magnetize stuff to ourselves on a subtle level in the subtle earth element system, or it could be both positive and negative qualities. It could be you know angers, resentments, pain, suffering, imagined or real, whatever it is. We tend to hold it in this earth element structure. When we receive a smack from somebody, like the bad look on the freeway, or somebody yells at us, that’s an energy packet that comes in our system, and now it’s staying in our system. It’s like lodged in there until we find a good means to dissolve it and decharge it. It’s really interesting if you’ve ever had an argument with someone, like a really heated argument, and afterwards you’re shaking. Why are you shaking? We could say, “Oh, it’s adrenaline. Oh, the heart rate is up. Blah blah blah. That doesn’t quite answer the whole picture. The picture is we’re holding now some really scary, awful, disrupting, jarring, jangled energy in our

 

Manon Bolliger  28:43

system,

 

Alx Utterman  28:44

and sure, it will calm down, but it doesn’t mean that we got rid of

 

Manon Bolliger  28:48

1. Yeah, I mean, it could be too like that whole thing about you know over like the sympathetic system being overstressed and like animals, they they shake right as a natural way to get out of it, you know. To

 

Alx Utterman  29:06

right, process reverberating, just reverberating. It’s kind of a shock to the system. Our system is actually, you know, like our inner works. The soul of a person is a very delicate, beautiful, peaceful place. It doesn’t like all these big, angry, intense. Yeah, no, does not, and it really does let us know. Hey, this is an overload right now. This is overwhelming. We need to deal with this effectively, or else, you know. So, in the Earth Element discussion, there’s this crazy. This I’m so sorry to reasonable science people. This is going to sound like madness, but just please go with me for a second. And in the spirit of science, I would suggest you try it for yourself, and then you see if it works or it doesn’t work.

 

Manon Bolliger  29:52

About science, rather

 

Alx Utterman  29:53

than just rather than yeah, you should be rather than just you know poo pooing the whole thing on its face. I and should I? I really should say. You know, I came to all of this stuff so skeptically. I was not a believer in any of those. It was through direct experience. I

 

Manon Bolliger  30:09

think that’s the best way, right?

 

Alx Utterman  30:10

I think it’s helpful. Yeah, rather than being some like wild-eyed credulous. Okay, I’ll just believe anything anybody tells me. No, I was not like that. No. So I can say this is you know hard won experience, and also having taught this for decades and seen the results in people, it’s it is actually kind of gobsmacking. So just just try it, please just try it. Okay, so the first thing is you have to identify something is wrong. Let’s say I came home from work, it was stressful, I have a headache, my neck is stiff, my head hurts. The normal thing is reach for some pill and get rid of it, right? But that doesn’t address the underlying alarm bell that’s going off. That your system is saying, hey, hey, hey, hey, we absorb some energy today. We need to address this. We need to get rid of it. Earth element, our best friend, is a black rock. Any black rock, any size doesn’t matter, really. Any shape of black rock, any material of black rock, doesn’t matter. Black rocks have a unique property, and this again. I’m sorry. This is going to sound like absolute madness, and I am aware of it. And please forgive me, but it works. A black rock, unlike any other color of a stone, has this unique resonance with the giant magnet that is the Earth itself. Which is, if you ever did that thing in high school where you took iron filings and you put them to a magnet and then they became magnets?

 

Manon Bolliger  31:35

Yeah.

 

Alx Utterman  31:36

Yeah. Well, same thing. A small black rock

 

Manon Bolliger  31:39

is

 

Alx Utterman  31:40

like a microcosm of the whole planet Earth in that respect, and you hold the black rock. It becomes like a magnet to simply pull out and throw to the big Earth whatever it is that we’re offloading to a little agent of the big Earth, which also correlates to the big Earth inside us. Okay, so number one, I go. For example, I’ve scanned myself. I’m really off. I have a headache, or I have an obsessive thought pattern that I can’t drop about somebody I treated, or I can’t really eat after I saw that person. I don’t feel right inside. I feel kind of nauseated. Something. Okay, whatever it is, I’m scanning myself. Something’s off. We need to do this thing. This decharging it. That that negative charge that’s in us needs to come out. So you take the little black ruck. You hold the little earth element piece, and you say the following: big thank you, like a little prayer of gratitude to however you think of the sacred, universe, God, Jesus, Buddha, Mother, who cares? Doesn’t matter. Nature. Maybe you are an atheist, so maybe you have a sense of your higher self. It doesn’t matter. Whatever it is, thank you is the critical deal here. Why gratitude opens the heart and lets energy move. Okay, thank you. I have an agent of the earth element here. Thank you so much for this, part two. Right now, I’m decharging. I’m offloading whatever it is I picked up. That is not me today. And maybe it was a specific incident that happened, like someone yelled at you, and you’re still feeling that. So you might think on that thing, but it might be a collective of whatever happened throughout the day, etc. Right now, and here’s the crazy thing: so you just hold the third, you just hold the rock. I know it sounds nuts, but there it is. You just hold it. It will automatically go to the big planet Earth. There’s no need, like with crystal people, they have a whole thing. You have to wash them. You have to do that. No, uh. It is a stand-in. It is a microcosm of the big magnetism of the big Earth. Watch what happens. My advice is hold it for 10 to 15 minutes, until the symptoms subside, until you feel yourself coming down or calming down. Huh, huh. Some people are very sensitive. They feel the rock gets hot in their hand, or maybe they feel energy flowing into it, or maybe they just feel a little bit better, or like that painful headache subsides. I’ve seen that happen many times. You know it’s finished when you feel even again inside, and for some people that might be a revelation because they don’t ever feel That way, yeah, because we take the stress levels for granted, and and that’s the whole deal. You can do other things while you’re holding the rock. You can watch videos on YouTube. You can drive with one hand. You don’t have to be like, okay, I’m getting rid of it. I’m getting rid. No, no, no, no. Getting rid of stress and strain should not be more stress-inducing, right? But the point is, your own inner consciousness knows already. Hey, we’re doing this thing.

 

Manon Bolliger  34:51

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

 

Alx Utterman  34:52

And you might revisit it over the span of 1015, minutes. Like, okay, we’re still doing the thing. We’re still offloading. Okay, right? How are we doing? Done.

 

Manon Bolliger  35:01

Simple. Yeah.

 

Alx Utterman  35:03

And it’s unbelievably dramatic. That’s why I say sometimes people treat these techniques as as like, oh, it’s so nothing. Yeah. Until we try it.

 

Manon Bolliger  35:13

Yeah, but it’s often and it’s kind of the simple things that work, right? It’s like, you know, we have this total bias that it has to be complicated to work, and it’s it’s far from the truth, you know. Yeah, yeah. But it’s if I sort of summarize it, it’s like you’re consciously, willing fully taking an action that you have learned that dissipates or allows the flow to go elsewhere out of you, basically. Yeah, yeah, into

 

Alx Utterman  35:54

the earth,

 

Manon Bolliger  35:56

right, and into the earth, yeah, kind of

 

Alx Utterman  35:57

back to where it sort of came from. Yeah,

 

Manon Bolliger  35:59

yeah, yeah. Well, it’s interesting because I often say something like, you know, thank you because I notice, you know, and and it’s like, and I send it back to the universe. It’s like I feel like, at least for me, it seems to work, and it. But it is-it’s a consciousness. It’s a ritual, you know. And because I know what you mean when you get hit, and you go like, “Whoa, you know. I get that. It’s not you. You don’t make that stuff up. It. It’s there, but I think the thereness too is the consciousness of now? What are you going to do with it? Pretend like you know. I mean, most people don’t understand that symptoms are signs. We’re we’re in this crazy paradigm that you know is a is backwards, right? You know, I mean, if we were to pay attention to that, we would then have the first clue that we’re not doing something right, you know, with the energy coming at us, you know. But once you go, okay, I don’t have those symptoms, and I’m not tired, I’m not needing to do anything else. Then you know, it’s like, what are you doing that might be helping you process it, you know? But um, where where can people? Because we’re totally past our time. But where can people find out more about this work to find out the methods that you’ve been teaching?

 

Alx Utterman  37:32

They can go to energeticsofselfcare.com.

 

Manon Bolliger  37:36

Okay,

 

Alx Utterman  37:36

and that’s a site that I set up during the pandemic out of real concern for frontline healthcare workers who I saw dropping like flies, and yeah, so they can find a lot of things there, including the larger explanation of why this works. I made some videos back in the day that were introductory, that are available on the site that’ll sort of explain. And I made very short training videos that are for a fairly nominal fee, so that people could get them, especially highly stressed people, but not feel stressed to learn something new.

 

Manon Bolliger  38:09

Right, right, yeah, yeah, fine art.

 

Alx Utterman  38:13

And it’s interesting, you know, when I put that site up, I was working at that time with a branding professional lady, and she was saying to me, you know, Alex, I think it’s a little hyperbolic what you’re saying about how efficient these tools are, and I was like, you want to try

 

Manon Bolliger  38:27

it? Just

 

Alx Utterman  38:28

try it. She came back to me a couple days later after using a generic black rock, and she said, “Oh my God, you are not kidding. She said, “I felt that. I’m like, “Mm-hmm. She said, “You should be shouting this from the rooftops. How is this so simple and it works so efficiently? I’m like, because it’s our nature. It’s our structure of nature in this larger nature.

 

Manon Bolliger  38:50

Well,

 

Alx Utterman  38:50

yeah. So I would offer to you, like saying, “Hey, I’m giving it back to the universe and all that. That’s lovely. Try adding the component of a of a physicalized element, just as a as an experiment,

 

Manon Bolliger  39:01

yeah, yeah, you just like

 

Alx Utterman  39:04

a little physicalized thing as a doorway to the larger. It’s it’s I think more. It’s less defuse. It’s very direct.

 

Manon Bolliger  39:13

Yeah, I mean it it and I can see that because if I can ground, like go outside, you know, barefoot, it it’s clear, you know. But if you’re in your office and you can’t do that, then it’s like, okay, maybe the Black Rock is the solution, right? You know, yes, it’s all fairly, and and it’s handy. And anyway, our time is so up, but I’d love to hear what Ether does. But anyway, I’ll have to look at them. All right. Well, thank you very much for sharing your knowledge, and I’m sure people are gonna try to find out what I certainly am. Oh,

 

Alx Utterman  39:54

I hope so. Yes.

 

Manon Bolliger  39:56

All right. Yeah. All right. Thanks a lot. Great.

 

Alx Utterman  39:58

Thank you so much, Manon. And I’ll see you.

 

Manon Bolliger  40:01

Okay. Manon.

 

Alx Utterman  40:03

Bye for now.

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