came in, that gave me so many realizations. So it was, it was enhanced by some beautiful plant medicine allies. I was deep on my deepest. Strongest journey I had ever done up to that point, and it just took me to this place of no return, so to speak. Like I was complete witness to it all, but I had no control. My animal body took over the intelligences of my instinct and intuition, the these animalistic mechanisms that have evolved within us, just woke up in me and did their thing. It was like it was shaking me. It was I was spontaneously making all these sounds. I was what I what I now know is called pendiculation. It was like pulling me and stretching me and squeezing me all over the place. I I didn’t really have any reference or words for anything that was going on at that time because I never learned about this from anywhere. It just it just started happening to me, and I felt these energies inside of me just leave me these old old childhood traumas that I was not even aware that I had because I yeah just they’re just frozen and numb and deep inside of me, and this this integrated them and moved them, and it was like whoa! It was super super profound. My only reference at the time were like exorcism movies I saw on the internet, or saw on you know movies or whatever, And which make it out to be scary, but I intuitively felt like this is not that. It looks like that, but it’s it was like ah such a beautiful

Manon Bolliger  06:56

release,

Dr. Keith Motes  06:57

release and rebirthing and yeah, it transformed me in such a big way, and my spiritual journey started doing that again, improving. And I realized it was trauma; it was releasing that was holding me back. Something that yoga was just not getting into for me, and so that birthed, that was a seed of what has now become shaking medicine, which which is done without any psychoactive medicines, typically, but that that did seed it in me, and because it was, it came from within, like it seeded this very unique style. You know, it’s not a copy from some other style before, but other styles have since influenced me. You know, in my studies and learning about anything that’s complementary to this, I like to bring in the wisdom and gold from whatever is very complementary to this. This what I find to be just some of the most beautiful, profound, natural, instinctive medicine that most people still don’t know about yet. It’s so powerful for the simple reason that it evolved within us over millennia, probably even billions of years, to do what it’s supposed to do, which is bring us into balance and homeostasis, move the stress and anxiety and trauma from our day-to-day life that otherwise gets stored in our body. Right.

Manon Bolliger  08:48

Yeah. So, how do you explain? I mean, when I hear shaking, I think of a few things. You know how animals-if you almost hit a deer-they will go to the side eventually, and they’ll start shaking, and then they seem to to be fine again. You know, I I think I told you just before we started. I had a an experience in in Italy doing a shaking work. I mean, there was all kinds of workshops, but shaking was quite a release. And watching all these people, there was quite profound shifts in people. And then the third thing that I didn’t tell you yet: when I had cancer, I was laying on the bed, and you know, I was there. Was other things I chose to do. Homeopathy. I did. You know, I wasn’t gonna do all the stuff they said. You know, hysterectomy, this, that, and whatever. Chemo. I’m not doing all that. But I, I was overcome by. A desire to like, well, it was more undulate than shake, but there was like, like wave-like actions going through me with a humming sound, sometimes pleasant, sometimes quite scary and loud, and and I was like, oh, I just, I just do me, whatever. I’ll let this go. And I was in that state for on and off for about two days, and I think that had a huge impact on the pause. I mean, I’m still here, right? So, so obviously I survived. But can you tell us a little bit what what it is, and whether the quantum physics explains any of this, or or wherever you to to help us know what it is, and if you want to demonstrate or tell us more, feel free.

Dr. Keith Motes  10:56

Yeah, I’d love to do all that. So there’s two kind of main types of shaking in a broad sense: voluntary shaking and and this kind of neurogenic or spontaneous shaking. Both are great for us. Voluntary is more surface level. Spontaneous shaking is much deeper. It’s it’s voluntary shaking is the kind of shaking most teachers will do in a practice as like a five minute warm up or you know just to move a little energy. It’s like it’s it’s still done in a relaxed way mostly, but it’s a little more like you’re making it happen. Whereas the the spontaneous shaking is this deeper intelligence, this mechanism that moves us for us, and it’s accessed best by no force, by letting go of control, and by relaxing deeply. And you know we have different games we play. I like to think of it as a game to come into the trimmering, because the game is not the thing itself. It’s it’s getting to the tremor that’s the thing, at least in in shaking medicine. And different of these games will resonate with different people to to in different moments in their life, and when we get this deeper kind of shaking, it it’s like a feedback loop. It starts to relax us even more, and then when we relax more, we can access the shaking even more deeply. And then it and then again, the cycle continues, and it moves us how we need to be moved. So there’s, it’s related to other spontaneous movement for sure. It’s not just this. This intelligence isn’t only this shaking. It’s also like those undulations. It can often it it comes like wave spontaneous waves or undulations might want to move through, or spontaneously moving and twisting and squeezing. This is what I now know of as pendulation, another instinctive mechanism. All these things eventually dance through and between each other, and it’s basically the the body’s intelligence. It’s not the analytical mind. You know that’s our controlling thinking mind that is often conditioned by you know culture or religion or parents or school, whatever everything, and it it’s actually in a big way often what prevents us from accessing this because it looks weird or you know people might think we’re possessed or so to access it there is to for the nervous system to let go and and kind of move. So I’m coming into a little bit of a demonstration. I can get it really easy because I’ve been doing it for about a decade now. But basically, we would like a process I’d come through with people would be to like do a bit of a warm up, get the blood flowing, get out of the head, get into the body. I love to do some like qigong with with for the grounding aspect. I feel like it’s super important safety wise to stay to keep grounding, and as energies move, it’s like we need to keep grounding. So we warm up, we ground, we we then play the game to our multiple games if we need to to to find the place, like like moving as slowly and. Relax as we can through a range of motion, where we start to feel the sensations of the shake wanting to come on, like like a little, like a little skipping of the range of motion, and then we hone in on it, go even slower, more relaxed until it’s like we’re hanging out in the shake, and then we go into the next phase. We go from the game to the surrender phase, which is just simply hanging out with the shake and and surrendering and relaxing even more to access it deeper. And so that all just soothes the nervous system, brings us into deep parasympathetic states of relaxation, where our healing functions operate maximally effectively. So likely you were undulated, and it was deeply relaxing you. And then all of your well, that plus the the natural immune system and healing functions of your body, just digestion, all of that just started working like it’s supposed to. And then that would, yeah.

Dr. Keith Motes  16:22

And so many people say that this relaxes them more than anything, and it it makes sense because it’s designed by nature to do that, and it’s a true like lens, a true way of learning to deeply let go of control, because if we’re tremoring, it’s it’s we’re either tremoring or we’re not, and it’s fairly easy to tell once you get into it. And if you are tremoring, you are like truly letting go of control. You’re not just thinking. You’re letting. You’re relaxing, but you, your body on a physiological nervous system level, is definitely relaxing and letting go, and that’s powerful.

Manon Bolliger  17:13

Okay, so I’ll summarize it in the different way, but it’s by being completely or allowing the the parasympathetic state to fully do what it’s supposed to do, which is heal, repair, make you rest, digest all of that stuff. Your body then knows how to continue with what it needs to do. It kind of resets all your other systems, whether it’s your hormone system, your nervous system, your whatever digestive system. It’s like you you go back to kind of a point of it’s like those systems are no longer kind of frozen. They’re they’re they’re released. Does that does that make sense to you that way of looking at

Dr. Keith Motes  18:10

it? Yeah, that’s a great way to look at it. And it’s like the it goes out of fight, flight, or freeze mode. It’s even in the name they freeze a lot of things. Systems get frozen into like the energy doesn’t go to them because it’s trying to run away from the tiger. And also, on that freeze note, a lot of our old these old traumas, even physical Injuries, trapped emotions-they get kind of numb after years and years. They get numb and frozen in our body, in our organs, in our tissues, in our subconscious. And this

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Dr. Keith Motes  19:40

Starts to this shaking starts to unfreeze them, unstick them. So then, these old, all this old stuff that’s affecting us, even if we don’t know it. Like my trauma was affecting me subconsciously, even though I was. Even aware that I had it, it it integrated out of me, and then the effect, the positive effect it had on me was like I was like reborn, and and I was getting, I was starting to grow again in my my practices. I wasn’t stagnating, and life just took it beautiful 360 transformation. So yeah, all these things unstick and unfreeze, and it’s like we don’t need to necessarily rationally know what it is. It’s just on on that genetic subconscious level, we’re we’re purifying ourself into freedom, yeah, and it has a profound effect, and it helps with you know old pains and injuries. It’s really great for a lot of that stuff because it’s a lot of that stuff goes into contraction and it’s frozen, and then bit by bit it unravels and unsticks and and then those contractions unravel and the pains free up.

Manon Bolliger  21:13

Yeah, yeah. Well, often too after an injury, at least in in my practice when I was in practice, doing Bowen therapy. I don’t know. It’s actually if you’re in Australia, you probably heard about it. Bowen therapy, and that was a big part of my practice. And you know, people who came in from let’s say car accidents, they may have whiplash or this or that, but if they went to see like a purely body functioning person, like a physiotherapist, they would be there for a year, two years. It’s like the trauma wouldn’t leave. When we did Bowen therapy, it’s like the body could go into parasympathetic so quickly. If it was done, you know, soon enough afterwards, the trauma left, and then the person could heal in you know three to five weeks. So huge difference when it when the trauma is freed, you know. And I think this is a lot of the. I mean, Bowen is physical because you do touch, but it’s yeah, it’s it’s highly energetic as well, obviously. But it’s it’s really it’s like a a key into the body, into allowing the unraveling. I have had some patients undulate, like take it to another level. As in, like you know, if you do with a psychedelic, you it can open up other avenues. It’s a little bit, or doors that might be closed or whatever, you know. So I’ve seen that, but it’s interesting that shaking is what you’re saying. If I get it, it’s it’s innate to us. It’s already within us. We were we were made to have that skill, and we just haven’t taken the time to To allow it, right?

Dr. Keith Motes  23:23

Yeah, it’s we we all have it within us, so it’s it feels usually more like a remembering than a learning something new. We’re all born with it, and we even do it in the womb and as babies. But at some point, it gets suppressed and made to be weird, and we just bit by bit condition our children to not do this, and we don’t teach it in schools, and you know we’re taught to hold it together and not cry and don’t don’t shake your leg under the table and

Manon Bolliger  23:58

and

Dr. Keith Motes  23:59

on and on and on, and so eventually, we all just kind of like hold it all together all the time, and and but if we were to teach this to kids, which I really want to get it out into schools, that would be amazing.

Manon Bolliger  24:16

Yeah,

Dr. Keith Motes  24:17

if they were to do this from a young age, they would never build up all that chronic tension and trauma. They’d be like the wild animal, where as soon as it happened, they they could go and shake it off, and then they’re back to homeostasis. Like imagine a kid, a little kid. You know, you would think the worst thing in the world just happened when they start throwing that tantrum, like ah, you know, crying and screaming and wailing and kicking. But then, you know, a minute or five minutes later, they’re like smiling and dancing and playing again. That the tantrum was like kind of like the shaking medicine. They move that energy cathartically, spontaneously, and then it’s almost as if nothing ever happened. They just back to normal, just like that. And

Manon Bolliger  25:14

she called, of course, redefining tantrums. You’ll have a very young crowd, you know, and parents much more relaxed about the tantrums, right?

Dr. Keith Motes  25:28

Yeah, well, oh, that’s a two-year-old, of course. That’s what they do, and it’s um, but when they get five, 610, whatever the age is, it’s like, oh, that’s not okay anymore.

Manon Bolliger  25:41

Right, but but I think it can be explained to the child, you know, like go ahead and do this. But you know, I guess it’s true that if it’s in in public, unless the yeah

Dr. Keith Motes  25:55

yeah

Manon Bolliger  25:55

all comfortable, they would probably be you know shunned or something, and you know we don’t have a very society. She’s

Dr. Keith Motes  26:04

like, oh, okay, let’s do that, but let’s go home first and and our safe place, and then and let’s do it there. But let’s definitely do it, you know.

Manon Bolliger  26:11

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dr. Keith Motes  26:13

Yeah. At some point, you get mature to have the choice of okay, I am gonna hold it, but just until I get home and I feel safe, and I’m not going to disturb everyone in public, kind of thing. There is a point definitely where we want that maturity within, yeah.

Manon Bolliger  26:35

Right. So, what with your background in quantum physics, and that is there a relationship that you can talk about with this?

Dr. Keith Motes  26:50

Yeah, so quantum physics is a very hardcore science. There is, of course, big philosophy branch of it. I studied quantum computing technologies and how to develop quantum computers using light, basically, and many aspects of the quantum computer, from quantum error correction to to like building the actual device with lenses and mirrors and beam splitters and photons. Doing I built theoretically I was a am a theoretical physicist. I built models of how to, you know, do certain applications and quantum measurements, quantum algorithms, different things like this, and the connection I made. Well, quantum physics is one of the most successful theories of all of physics. It studies the nature of the universe more accurately than pretty much any other physical physics theory, and it says down to the smallest particles of nature. Everything is vibration. Everything’s everything’s vibrating. It has a frequency, and in shaking medicine, we vibrate the body in a macro a macro way, and you know, in quantum, it’s looking at the micro, the atoms and the photons, and so yeah, the the main connection is that everything is energy one, and everything is vibrating, or you could say everything is Shaking literally, so the atoms are are shaking, and we’re we’re shaking in a macro way, tuning into the the natural frequencies of our human system, of how it wants to move stuck energy, and and so many of our ish day to day issues can be solved simply by moving some energy.

Manon Bolliger  29:29

Yeah,

Dr. Keith Motes  29:30

like we mostly we try to think our way out of this. I mean, this is what I’ve noticed. Most people are trying to ration rationalize and think their way out of most of their problems, and I mean the mind is great. It’s an amazing tool, and when you know in balance, it’s amazing, of course. But often we just need to we need to circulate the energy.

Manon Bolliger  30:00

Yeah,

Dr. Keith Motes  30:01

and that allows for such freedom. And how do we do that? Like the shaking is one of the most powerful ways. If we’re feeling like tight and emotionally or stressed out, it’s like let’s even just like a minute sometimes or a few minutes, and just like change our whole state, and and so this is yeah profound for moving.

Manon Bolliger  30:34

So are you aware of or this this military operation to bring out med beds.

Dr. Keith Motes  30:46

Med beds, no. What? What do you? What does this say?

Manon Bolliger  30:50

Well, they’re in Japan apparently, and they’re coming out soon around the world. But they’re also based on on Frequency healing is kind of the new medicine, you know. In a sense, this is a post. Well, I guess for the public that believed that pharmaceuticals and all this is all healthy, it’ll come to them as a surprise for the rest of us who kind of saw the paradigm and its financial incentives and all that. We’re not going to be so surprised, but so these are these are going to be available to people for free. So a very interesting program. So it’s starting to be talked about now because it’s that close. So

Dr. Keith Motes  31:51

amazing,

Manon Bolliger  31:51

very exciting. So it will be in Australia. I know that for sure because there’s several people in the group I’m into talking about this, so yeah, keep your eyes open. I

Dr. Keith Motes  32:04

will, I will. It

Manon Bolliger  32:05

should be like

Dr. Keith Motes  32:08

you like lay in the bed and it plays sound frequency. Is it more subtle that you can’t even hear?

Manon Bolliger  32:16

I don’t actually know all of the the mechanisms at play. Apparently, it’s been around. It was one of the 600 sort of secrets that was kept from humanity for a long time. So it was in play before, you know. As like Tesla, a lot of his work was kept quiet. You know.

Dr. Keith Motes  32:44

Yeah, yeah. Suppressed. Suppressed.

Manon Bolliger  32:46

Yes, that’s the right word. Yes. So a lot of these suppressed technologies are, and the use of ether and all that is coming back to surface. They all got, at least in Trump’s administration, it got released, so it’s now public information. So we’re going to see quite a shift with all this information.

Dr. Keith Motes  33:14

Yeah, there’s a lot of shifts happening. Yeah,

Manon Bolliger  33:17

interesting.

Dr. Keith Motes  33:18

Beautiful, love it. I feel like a lot of these ancient mega structures and and temples and such around the world were at least part like these ancient technological frequency sound

Manon Bolliger  33:39

yeah

Dr. Keith Motes  33:40

structures

Manon Bolliger  33:42

yeah. Structures and the

Dr. Keith Motes  33:43

old cathedrals are just like giant antenna-looking things that

Manon Bolliger  33:48

are

Dr. Keith Motes  33:49

just. I feel like they they probably wear a lot of these acted as a lot of these sort of frequency healing devices or maybe energy devices. Like

Manon Bolliger  34:00

yeah, well that’s what we’re finding out now, right? That all this is being slowly released, and that, in fact, that’s what it was, you know. So we’re not the most advanced society in the world. Go figure.

Dr. Keith Motes  34:17

That’s it’s becoming pretty obvious with with Colin’s ancient. discoveries, like Graham Hancock’s work, the Younger Trias, and what everything that was like before that-it’s like wow,

Manon Bolliger  34:32

the

Dr. Keith Motes  34:33

pyramids. It’s like we would struggle to build that with today’s technology. It’s like how did they do

Manon Bolliger  34:41

it long

Dr. Keith Motes  34:41

time ago, unless they had, they were an advanced technological civilization, much older than the history books talk about Egypt.

Manon Bolliger  34:50

Yeah, building

Dr. Keith Motes  34:51

them like,

Manon Bolliger  34:53

and

Dr. Keith Motes  34:54

I love it. It’s it’s so fascinating to me, and it makes sense, like. We didn’t actually take so long to become this advanced, like this technologically advanced. Like you could say a few 100, maybe a few 1000 years or whatever. But humans have been around for hundreds of 1000s of years, if not millions. So how many times could we have done this Already,

Manon Bolliger  35:21

right in

Dr. Keith Motes  35:22

in unique ways.

Manon Bolliger  35:25

Yeah. All right. Well, Keith, I think our time’s actually up, but thanks for sharing your your experience, your knowledge, and yeah, and demonstrating sort of how innate and natural it can be if you just surrender a little bit, you know. So, and I’m sure. Do you you give you give lessons as well, or you have a way people can follow you or learn from from you?

Dr. Keith Motes  35:53

Yeah, yeah. Well, it’s it’s been a pleasure sharing, and yeah, I have offerings which can all be [email protected], and I have everything from online courses to do it at your own pace to one on one offerings to teacher trainings. Yeah, so there’s a few different aspects there. I do retreats and some sometimes you know either do what I call personal transformation retreats where we meet up somewhere. You come to me or I come to you, and we we do deep dive because I do body work as well. And when I’m in person, I’m often like channeling that shake shaking intelligence, feeling where that is in others. It’s like okay, supporting that that shifting and transformation. So yeah, it goes well with with the body work. Yeah,

Manon Bolliger  37:04

yeah, for sure. Well, Australia is a little bit far from where we are. Otherwise, well, who knows? You know, with a new technology, it might just be just get transported there.

Dr. Keith Motes  37:18

I’m in Bali at the moment. Born Bali, okay. And I travel a lot, some like around the world. Okay.

Manon Bolliger  37:26

Anyway, so if people want to get hold of you, they can, and we’ll put a, you know, we’ll put your info underneath your or video here. So thanks very much for your time.

Dr. Keith Motes  37:40

Thank you so much for having me. I loved our conversation, Manon, and yeah, have a beautiful day. And anyone watching this, Namaste.

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