How to Use Nutrition & More to Reduce Stress with Dr Teeya Scholten on The Healers Café with Manon Bolliger
In this episode of The Healers Café, Manon Bolliger (Deregistered naturopath with 30+ years of experience in health) speaks with Dr Teeya Scholten, Founder and Director of Training, Research, and Development for the Finding Joy- Trauma Treatment Technique™ (FJ) and the Good News about ADHD (EP+).
Highlights from today’s episode include:
Dr P. Teeya Scholten
I also discovered that milk was causing me to have like a kind of a subclinical sore throat all the time. I also decided, did not decide to, discovered that when I stopped drinking milk, I stopped crying. So, I’ve been crying like every four days, not like clockwork, but regularly, but about little things here and there. But the really deep, deep black dogs of depression, suicidal ideation, boom, gone overnight, never to return.
Dr P. Teeya Scholten
But if we think of ourselves as stress buckets, then you know we can, there’s good stress, bad stress, but it’s stress. And it all adds up into our stress bucket. And you know, maybe we have a job we don’t really like, maybe our neighbors have been irritating, maybe we’re dealing with teenagers, maybe we have a cat allergy do you know what I mean, it all adds up. And then somebody cuts us off in traffic and boom our stress bucket overflows
Dr P. Teeya Scholten
We have a choice here we can take stressors out of our stress bucket. Like don’t let the cat in the bedroom anymore. Or remove a couple of inflammatory foods from your diet like take out milk products.
ABOUT DR P. TEEYA SCHOLTEN
Dr. Teeya Scholten has worked in the fields of education and mental health for over 40 years. She has authored numerous books on a positive, balanced, integrative approach to attention & learning discrepancies & depression, child management and trauma. She has also had the opportunity to create and train others in innovative methods of achieving wellness – such as Empowerment Plus®: A Positive, Balanced and Integrated Approach to ADHD; see EmpowermentPlus.org; and the Finding Joy – Trauma Treatment Technique™; see FindingJoy-TTT.com; a gentle, effective approach to relieving stress. Both approaches combine wisdom from several sources and help the whole person to be “the best they can be as naturally as possible.”
Core purpose/passion: My core purpose is to help everyone feel more peace and joy in their lives. I am passionate about cost-effective, integrated approaches to wellness and empowering people to be the best they can be as naturally as possible.
About Manon Bolliger
As a recently De-Registered board-certified naturopathic physician & in practice since 1992, I’ve seen an average of 150 patients per week and have helped people ranging from rural farmers in Nova Scotia to stressed out CEOs in Toronto to tri-athletes here in Vancouver.
My resolve to educate, empower and engage people to take charge of their own health is evident in my best-selling books: ‘What Patients Don’t Say if Doctors Don’t Ask: The Mindful Patient-Doctor Relationship’ and ‘A Healer in Every Household: Simple Solutions for Stress’. I also teach BowenFirst™ Therapy through Bowen College and hold transformational workshops to achieve these goals.
So, when I share with you that LISTENING to Your body is a game changer in the healing process, I am speaking from expertise and direct experience”.
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Manon Bolliger 00:42
So welcome to the Healers Cafe and today I have with me Dr. Teeya Scholten, and she has worked in the field of education and mental health for over 40 years. She has authored numerous books on a positive balance integrative approach to attention, learning discrepancies, depression, child management and trauma. And she has also had the opportunity to create and train others in innovative methods of achieving wellness, such as Empowerment Plus®: A Positive, Balanced and Integrated Approach to ADHD, which I’d love to find out more about, as well as empowermentplus.org. Which, oh, I think the program is called Finding Joy trauma treatment technique. Anyway, so I really am excited to speak with you today. And I welcome you.
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 01:45
Thank you, Manon. And I’m so honored to be here. Thank you so much for the opportunity.
Manon Bolliger 01:51
So, one question, you know, it’s 40 years later, you’ve been doing this, you know, quite a long time here. What, and I have a lot of viewers that are wondering what to study where to start, if it’s really right for them, if they, you know, if they have, if they need special gifts, if they have to have, you know, whatever, whatever. A sign from the universe, something. So, what started you down this path?
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 02:25
Yes. Well, I mean, I wanted to be a nurse initially. But I couldn’t look at the picture of the grade seven picture in our grade seven health textbook of a needle going into someone’s arm.
Manon Bolliger 02:41
Started with that hey.
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 02:45
Probably not the right direction. And then I was so honored to have one of my just such precious mentors, actually suggested to me that I consider the Applied Psychology program at the Ontario Institute for Studies in Education. And I took his advice and have really never looked back. Because the Applied Psychology covered clinical as well as educational, that type of thing. So that’s kind of on one level of an explanation as to how I got that training.
Manon Bolliger 03:25
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 03:25
And at that point, actually, when I was doing my, I took my masters there, and then I went back seven years later for my doctorate. And I really wanted to study the effects of food sensitivities on learning. And this was way back …
in 87. And ya wasn’t ready for that then.
Manon Bolliger 03:51
Definitely not. I think by it still is actually it’s still I think, maximum 11 hours of nutrition for most doctors, right.
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 04:03
Is it 11 hours now Manon? Is it 11 hours?
Manon Bolliger 04:06
Maybe it was less before.
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 04:08
It was Dr. Andrew Weil from Arizona, the Integrative Health Program, in the foreword to a book that he just wrote, he said when he was studying in the middle 60s, it was half an hour.
Manon Bolliger 04:25
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 04:25
30 minutes. So, it really improved to 11 hours. But really, what can you have her in 11 hours even
Manon Bolliger 04:32
No exactly. Yeah, no, no. So yeah, well, good days. So, you are quite the Pioneer at the time.
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 04:38
Well, anyway, at fortunately, I listened to the wisdom of Dr. David Randall, this wonderful, wonderful mentor, who was also super interested in primary prevention, because that’s another thing I was very, very interested in. And so anyway, I took the course and he said Teeya, it’s so controversial. It’s so why do it? No, why don’t you wait till you have your doctorate, and then you can involve this in the work that you do. So that’s exactly what happened. It was after my doctorate was about 13 years later, when I was working for an agency, and it was a Training Agency, and people were starting to send their children to me to refer to me specifically, instead of just the agency. And I just found morally, I could no longer keep this knowledge to myself. The knowledge of food sensitivities and how it had affected me. I morally couldn’t keep it to myself, it was almost as though God was tapping me on the shoulder saying, out you go. Within three clients in private practice, the circle emerged, where I started to look at and formulate the way I thought about clients in terms of attention, learning, personality, food sensitivities, and other factors, like spinal alignment and trauma and that type of thing. So that’s kind of how I ended up creating these things. But there is a little bit of a backstory behind that, which I mentioned to you in some of our first communications. And that was me being an eight year old who was suicidal. With like, as far as I could see no reason to be suicidal, right? No, I had friends. I had a great, great parents. I had a great family life, I had faith. Like why was I…like, it didn’t make any sense. I thought in my spoiled, like, what’s going on. And I actively chose not to kill myself at that point. Because I knew my parents would be very upset because they were such good parents.
Manon Bolliger 05:03
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 05:08
You know, and then at age 23, the circumstances were perfect. Where I was married, I had a two year old. My husband knew I was like this before he married me. He was a great, he would be a great dad. So, I did at that point, the ugly this is it. Because I had been praying and praying and praying for, please help me. So, this is aged eight to 23 now. That’s a long time to feel suicidal.
Manon Bolliger 07:28
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 07:30
And I didn’t know what was the matter with me, the closest I got to it was something called the masked depression, where you would have been talking to me and I could have talked like this, but deep down inside, I wanted it to be over it had to be over. And it turned out that God was trying to answer my prayers all that time I was praying, but I wasn’t listening. Because my neighbor ended up, she had been telling me that my son was allergic. Because in those days, now you remember those days Manon I know you do Adelle Davis, you know, that’s right to keep fit, you know, and oh, yes, a child and give them this pep up, which was with dairy, and it was with yeast. And anyway, long story short, I did listen to my neighbor after a failed suicide attempt. Well, actually, I was put in the hospital, and I had to see a psychiatrist, after they pumped my stomach and they said, did the psychiatrist, I’m happy to see you but like, I don’t know what problem I had. I think it’s just something biochemical. And in those days…sorry, say that again.
Manon Bolliger 08:47
That’s exactly what they believed. Right. So now we need more chemicals.
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 08:51
Fortunately, this gentleman this psychiatrist, Dr. Curtin, he listened to me. And in those days, it was the orthomolecular time Dr. Ephraim offer, you know, a negative vitamins of Allah. He said, well, okay, he probably interviewed me and discovered. I mean, I’m probably neurotic, but it wasn’t psychotic. You know what I mean? I joke about that, but, but anyway, he recommended niacin, mega doses mega doses of niacin at that point. And that actually did help. Until I finally discovered when I took my son to the allergist, listened to my neighbor. And the allergist did some skin testing at that point that was 1976. So long time ago. Anyway, he said to me, you know, with food sensitivities, you can’t really tell with the test that we have now because the food goes through all these different changes in the body. He said the only way you can really find it out is to take milk out of his diet for a week, put it back in do the same thing with wheat. And he said, and I want you to do the same thing. Now, I haven’t complained about anything, but he probably saw my allergic shiners
Manon Bolliger 10:15
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 10:17
And, and my son Jeff, despite us treating him with great nutrition That poor kid didn’t have a cookie till he was two do you know I mean, that kind of thing. He was getting bronchitis. He was getting ear infections and why? Why? Well, we did this testing Manon, only week, take it out for a week put it back in and our lives have never been the same since because Jeff didn’t get sick again. He was only three, two or three at that point. And he didn’t get sick again. Until he was probably 10 or 11. That’s a long time for a kid not to get sick.
Manon Bolliger 10:58
Well, it’s actually normal if we actually look at what are the triggers it’s the other way around
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 11:10
That’s a reframe on that if the child if the person take care of themselves properly, we ought to be thriving.
Manon Bolliger 11:19
Absolutely yeah. Yeah
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 11:22
So, Jeff never got sick again probably started to like have ice cream cones or trade cheese, you know, whatever. Rice crackers for cheese sandwiches. And my depression vanished…vanished.
Manon Bolliger 11:35
Yeah, so was it both the dairy and the wheat in your in both your cases or?
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 11:42
for my son, it was primarily dairy. And for me, it was primarily wheat at that point. But I also discovered that milk was causing me to have like a kind of a subclinical sore throat all the time. I also decided, did not decide to, discovered that when I stopped drinking milk, I stopped crying. So, I’ve been crying like every four days, not like clockwork, but regularly, but about little things here and there. But the really deep, deep black dogs of depression, suicidal ideation, boom, gone overnight, never to return. And so that’s where I really think many of us are wounded healers.
Manon Bolliger 12:34
Hmm. Absolutely yeah.
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 12:36
That’s, that’s a primary motivation for me to know, when I see people suffering when they don’t need to be suffering or looking for answers, and they can’t find answers.
Manon Bolliger 12:50
Yeah. When did it become even talked about that the gut is responsible for 70% of the neurotransmitter?
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 12:59
Oh, I know, I know. Isn’t that amazing. It yeah wasn’t too long. Well, I mean, not too long ago. I mean, you know, I’m about to become 74. So, you know, it seems…but it wasn’t that long ago, but it was probably 13 years ago or so.
Manon Bolliger 13:14
Yeah. Which isn’t really that long ago, you know, when you think about it, right? Because now with that understanding, it’s almost criminal. If you don’t look at the gut.
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 13:28
Manon Bolliger 13:29
You know, but then, you know, the idea that maybe you play around with the brain, as if it’s all up there. It’s more normal. I’m not saying it’s right. But it’s definitely more understandable at that time period, you know.
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 13:47
Well, and when you say criminal, you know, I don’t easily use those words. But they, they do resonate, because now with what we know
Manon Bolliger 13:58
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 13:59
There’s no…to me, there’s no excuse. I went straight to a GP. Do you people not real? I’m not that tactless? Why do people not realize there’s a connection between milk products and asthma? And she said, oh, yeah, we know about it. We just don’t like to be the bearer of bad news. And I thought people, people, people, you’d be willing to write prescriptions, put children on all sorts of things, you know, when maybe just taking the child off milk products. I mean, I don’t want to oversimplify things, but I think that’s where the Empowerment Plus method comes in, is by you know, in terms of a big hairy goal. I really want to be number one, in terms of a method that people can look at when they’re wondering like if Mrs. Brown is told by a teacher and the teacher can’t really say ADD or ADHD, but you have attention issues, you should look into it. What does the parent do? You know, if they don’t really want to do the medication route, do they go down? naturopath? Do they do they spend five or $6,000 on a psycho educational assessment that basically, if it’s well done, tells them what they already knew about their child. Little jaded in this area.
Manon Bolliger 15:22
You’re allowed to be
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 15:25
But what I want for people is to go to the website, it’s there, it’s free, it’s available to you go and have a look at the 15 minute video and see if this approach makes sense.
Manon Bolliger 15:40
So, can you share a little bit of this? I know you have all these, you know, what are they called? Infographics.
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 15:49
Manon Bolliger 15:50
Maybe to sort of share a little bit your methodology in what might facilitate the misunderstanding of what people can do. You can start with ADHD because I think that’s the…
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 16:04
Let me see what…let me see where I go here. I think what I’ll do is just go to the website first, if I can get there, I don’t think
Manon Bolliger 16:18
But you can actually you could leave the website there. But I was thinking more like to talk about these things like the inverted, the stress bucket and the inverted V curve, which you told me about and like more to really understand how you’re looking at this and how people can start with that, you know, right? So, what’s your website for?
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 16:40
Oh, sure. If you go to the website, which I’m sure you will put in your links, what people will see on that website, the Empowerment Plus website, on the homepage, they’ll see a link to a 15 minute DVD that describes the empowerment plus method that describes you have to take certain foods out of your diet for a week, if you don’t want to do it, we don’t want to see you do it. I mean, pretty important. So yes, people can have a look at that later. But let’s get to the bottom of this right now with this overarching concept of stress bucket, which everybody can relate to. And I won’t spend a long time, I’ll just go over it fairly quickly. But I think it fits with these various models, we can see where they fit even Bowen therapy, we can see where Bowen therapy would fit with this as well. But if we think of ourselves as stress buckets, then you know we can, there’s good stress, bad stress, but it’s stress. And it all adds up into our stress bucket. And you know, maybe we have a job we don’t really like, maybe our neighbors have been irritating, maybe we’re dealing with teenagers, maybe we have a cat allergy do you know what I mean, it all adds up. And then somebody cuts us off in traffic and boom our stress bucket overflows. That’s it seems minor, but we lose it. And some people get angry, some cry, some get itchy. And most of us know how we react you know what I mean, when our stress bucket is overflowing. So, what we have, and I would love for people to think about this because everyone can relate to it. We have a choice here we can take stressors out of our stress bucket. Like don’t let the cat in the bedroom anymore. Or remove a couple of inflammatory foods from your diet like take out milk products.
Manon Bolliger 18:46
I think you’re talking about common sense. I think that’s missing.
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 18:49
Don’t we wish it weren’t missing? There’s still so much in look at Canada’s Food rules. I’m sorry. They were created by the milk marketing board back in 1920. People are being given wrong information. And that’s where you and I are talking about criminal and it is just about criminal because what we need to do is start to look at an inflammatory foods but you know, the lay person, what’s inflammatory, you know, but if you just say listen, there’s a chance if your child is getting a cold five times a year, that kid is maybe sensitive to milk products, take it out for a week and put it back in and just see the difference. Anyway, so you have an opportunity to take out a stressor here. And you can, this is also where the trauma treatment fits in. Because a lot of people don’t even think that they can…that resolving the distress associated with past, present or even future concerns, can lower their stress bucket. They don’t even think about it. Oh, I never think about it. It doesn’t bother me. Well, but when you do think about it, does it bother you? Oh, yeah, oh, I can’t go there. You know what I mean? Well, in that case, let’s offload it. Let’s resolve it. So, the other part is the stress bucket, we can also increase the size of our stress bucket. And this is where there’s a lot of information right now from people in terms of mindfulness practices, prayer, meditation, exercise, massage, B vitamins have what having fun…that goes into the common sense intervention. So anyway, where I want to be, is I want to be and I want my clients, I want all of us, we’re part of the human race. Why can’t we live here at a just an optimal level
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Dr P. Teeya Scholten 21:38
So, when someone cuts us off in traffic, we don’t lose it, we can just send them positive energy that they can get on their way. So that’s the stress bucket. Any comments on that one? Before we leave?
Manon Bolliger 21:51
No, I think that’s really clear. I mean, those are the options, right? And the end result is that if you can manage in a genuine way, you know, your stress, your emotions, and then you also stop judging other people. So, they cut you off, okay, maybe they had a bad day, or whatever, you know, it’s like, let’s not make it more than it is. And you take responsibility for our, of how the stress hits us. Right.
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 22:27
And there’s so much more to that, you know, I was given the name Willow heart woman when I took a shamanic course a while ago, and I just loved it. Because the key ingredient in aspirin comes from the willow tree.
Manon Bolliger 22:45
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 22:46
And a lot of what I’ve done over the years is an is just really, let’s just relieve pain. You know, let’s just, it’s not deep, deep, deep, kind of transformational stuff. Because what you’re talking about is an attitude, which is so important for people. So, let’s see now Manon, we have a little bit of time left. Maybe I’ll tell you about the drop me just quickly tell you, but
Manon Bolliger 23:13
let’s do both. Yeah, just go through it fast. Yeah,
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 23:16
Yeah, that makes sense. Okay. Still, there’s still time. The thing about ADD. And I have all these things like all the things I’m talking about. I got personal experience. And it was really fun when I did see clients, for them to watch how I managed myself, and my channel surfing brain and all of that kind of thing. But one of the things I discovered in my 25 years or more of a practice is something that has never really officially been announced to the world. So, I’ll just take you briefly through the explanation into 1908, two psychologists, Yorkson and Dots, discovered the inverted V relationship, inverted U sorry, relationship between stress and performance. And people recognize this in themselves, we need a little bit of challenge in order to get activated, then we’re at our top level, this shows the top level here of performance. And then if we have too much stress, our performance deteriorates. And so that gives us a range of optimal performance here. And again, this fits beautifully with the stress bucket. Because if you’re overstressed well guess what, take some stressors out. You know and get back here to your optimal level. But I actually don’t think it’s true. With those of us that have ADD, I think we actually have an inverted v curve. And someday I don’t know where to write about it, but it has to get out there. I want people that are dealing with people with attention issues, or that have attention issues themselves to realize, when you experience inconsistency, how come I can do it today, and I couldn’t do it yesterday, or I can’t do it tomorrow. It’s super frustrating for those of us who experiences inconsistency. But when they realize and when I diagnose people with ADD, and then explained how their brain works, their channel surfing brain, the inverted V. It’s so empowering Manon. So empowering because they realize, oh, this is where interest plays a role in activating me. Yeah, if I’m doing stuff, I’m interested, man, do I have energy for that? But I have to get motivated in order to do it. And last minute motivates people with ADD. But if we’re overstressed, then we totally plumet. We just can become paralyzed so easily. But the solution is clicking off some stressors and taking some time to meditate and getting some rest or whatever. So that’s the inverted V announced to the world for the first time ever.
Manon Bolliger 26:22
But this is when you’re looking at that, and we’ll get to the other one. So, it’s going it’s going down, like, very quickly, so that the window of optimal activity is much smaller. But am I correct in understanding that a person who has ADD can still, by working on the stressors, extend that window?
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 26:55
No, they don’t exceed the window, what they do…
Manon Bolliger 26:57
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 26:58
Your optimal level of performance, we all know, how we feel when we are on. Do you know what I mean? When we’re getting down. So, it doesn’t extend their window, it gets them there. So let me give an example. The other day, I was feeling kind of upset about something that was happening. And I thought, well, I’m not willing to be upset. But I was irritable. And I’m usually a pretty nice person. But I was irritable, I was short with my husband. And he’s going well, I’m not willing to do what’s going on. And so, I took half an hour, and I did the trauma treatment technique on myself. And we made a couple of changes in our routine downstairs because it drives him insane when I’m on my phone dictating.
Manon Bolliger 27:54
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 27:55
So, and he’s getting older, and if I don’t talk to him, like, if I’m not three feet, if I’m not close to him, then I have to raise my voice. But that’s not pleasant. So just making those couple of adjustments Manon, I mean, the trauma treatment, and that which took half an hour, and making a decision to keep our main level, technology free again. And I think he gave me a massage before I went to bed. The next, the very next day, I was back up here.
Manon Bolliger 28:27
Hmm, I see. Okay.
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 28:29
So, we’ve only couple of that the beauty of it is it only takes a couple of interventions to get us back up, if that’s where we’re normally living.
Manon Bolliger 28:40
Right. Okay. Now, I understand how you’re framing it better. Thank you for that.
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 28:45
Okay, you’re welcome. So then, we will go to our other beautiful infographic created by Dennis Pal, our in house design person. And here we are, this is the FG Triple T process. This is our trauma treatment process, that we are now training master’s level clinicians in how to take people…how to take their clients through this. And many of us well, we’re there’s 10 of us now that have been trained in it. And many of us have taken a lot of different forms of trauma treatment. And we love we love this approach because it’s easy. Not only is it easy on the client, it’s easy on the therapist, and it’s the three of our uniques are safe and secure. It’s safe and secure. It’s quick and easy and it’s tried and true. So just like you worked on your particular techniques for Bowen therapy over the years refining it. I’ve been working on this for 15 years now. And using feedback from people and we’ve now got this protocol. It’s a manualized protocol that’s written up in this in this book. This is the, the training manual that we use to train practitioners. But what would you like to know about this process?
Manon Bolliger 30:18
Well, I was just looking so there’s like a pretest. And then a post test. So, is this something that the…so practitioners learned to do this test, but so that the client can then gauge themselves to see if what they’re incorporating in their own treatment plan is helping them and that’s sort of the gauge of this or?
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 30:45
Oh, that’s a really, really good guess. But it’s way more complicated than it really is. So, all it is for those people that are listening that have done EMDR are the accelerated resolution technique, any of those EMDR derived therapies, EMDR stands for eye movement desensitization and reprocessing? That was discovered in 1990. By Dr. Francine Shapiro, the suds score is something she used that was developed years before it stands for subjective units of distress. Right.
Manon Bolliger 31:19
Now I remember. Terrible with acronyms, but yes. Okay. Now, this makes sense.
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 31:25
That’s maybe in the next version of the infographic, we’ll put it underneath there. But all you do with this particular technique, I mean, you prepare the person. And all we need, we asked people for two sessions, actually. Two sessions, because we need to start off with a target. So that could be any distress related to past, present or future. But the target has to be less than five out of 10 disturbing.
Manon Bolliger 31:56
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 31:57
Ans that’s the Sud score. And so, what we do is, let’s say we targeted you with your knee, I’m going to pick on you with your knee. So, when you think the olden days, before you discovered what you needed to do to fix it, when you think, I don’t know if you have still any memories about your knee, and how uncomfortable that was for you was uncomfortable for a long time.
Manon Bolliger 32:24
Yeah, so I think, because it was completely in my subconscious, right. I, the only thing I had was that they were sensitive to touch, but not painful, right? So, it was more like, what’s that about? But not really deep, right?
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 32:43
What I mean is now, I mean, now when you look back on your journey, and you think that you suffered for quite a few years, with your knee being sensitive to your touch, maybe it’s a bad example, I don’t know. Those are my own example. So, a number of years ago, someone had given me some lovely, lovely socks for Christmas. And I was running down the stairs or going downstairs typically faster. And my foot went out from underneath. And at that moment, I thought, Oh, my goodness, oh, my goodness, I’m home alone. What’s going to happen? Like if I fall and break my neck? Or if I like, what am I going to you know what it’s like in that moment? You just don’t know what’s going to happen. As it turned out. I only sprained something. It wasn’t a big deal. But what I found was even three weeks after the incident, my mind was flashing back to that moment when my foot went out
Manon Bolliger 33:47
To the traumatic injury. Yes, yeah.
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 33:49
Because it was not hardly an injury, but it was that moment of panic. It was still in resistance, and not wanting to suffer, I decided, oh, I better do this FDA triple T on it. Because to me, if you’re getting flashbacks for something, it means your mind is really trying to resolve it, don’t you?
Manon Bolliger 34:12
Yes. And this is a better example. Because I think, Yeah, mine was not. It had become chronic and there was one incident, so it doesn’t provoke quite the same pathways. Yeah.
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 34:24
The difficulty with this example is it’s so minor compared to what people have dealt with PTSD kind of trauma. We treated the Lost Boys of South Sudan with having been a child soldier, we treated women who witnessed their dad beating up their mom for years and you know, so this can deal with anything. This example is very minor compared to that, but it’s a good example. So, the freeze frame, so I would choose the fall as my target. The freeze frame was that moment my foot went out from the stairs. And it was probably upsetting after the fact about a 3.5 out of 10. Zero is no disturbance and 10 is the most you can imagine. That’s all it is. How disturbing is it so it’s about a 15 Second Test. So then with our clients, we do a body scan, and we start to get into the body. And here, these are the unique pieces of the FJ triple t this healing is so deep Manon, so deep on so many levels, and we’re using the wisdom of the cautious, which is a 3000 year old yogic. Yeah, you know, piece of information. But we start with just an awareness of the body. Getting in touch with your body, getting in touch with your breath, few breaths. And then we jump in to the technique. And in this case, we would say, well, thinking of the freeze frame now, but going out, what’s the negative thought word or emotion associated with that? So, for me, it was clumsy, the word that came up was clumsy. And in this case, you’re not figuring it out here at this level. Yeah, you’re figuring it out at a deeper within the body level where you trust what comes up. So clumsy came up, then where did they feel it in my body, it can be anywhere. Let’s say I felt it in my chest. So, then you feel clumsy in your chest and allow a symbol image or physical sensation to emerge that represents clumsy. So, I didn’t know is this interesting for you? Should I Oh yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Okay. So anyway, what came up, as I concentrated on feeling clumsy in my heart center, what came up was a symbol of tumbleweed, which I thought was so funny, because it was so perfect. Anyway, now we get to the unique part of the FDA triple t, because instead of doing bilateral stimulation, which is what a lot of other trauma treatment hybrid from EMDR. What they do, we use by local stimulation internal by local stimulation. So, I would go from the Tumbleweed picturing the Tumbleweed to my place of awareness at the top of my forehead. So, I’m just visualizing tumbleweed, tapping into here, not tapping, but just checking into the top of my head back to the Tumbleweed. What happened is it got smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller, and turned into a pile of crumbs. And it stopped changing. So as soon as it stops changing, you’re at the end of the channel. And so, then you go to the next step here. And that is, well what is the opposite thought word or emotion opposite to clumsy. So again, you’re not thinking of it yourself, you just trust what comes up, what came up was graceful. The image was white, six white swans. And as I went back and forth to my place of awareness, six white swans got bigger and bigger and bigger and became a whole screen of white feathers, just huge white feathers. And that’s where it stayed. And now we get to what we often call, we don’t talk to clients about these levels, we just know it as practitioners what we’re doing. But this is the final combination, where we go quickly back and forth between the final on the positive side and the final on the negative side. So white feathers, pile of crumb, boom, boom, boom, quickly back and forth, just for a few moments, quickly and comfortably and then notice them at the same time. And notice what happens. And you’ll never guess but the white feathers turned into a feather duster that dusted away the crumbs.
Manon Bolliger 39:03
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 39:04
Isn’t that something and then the post test would have been 0 out of 10 It didn’t bother me anymore. And it did not come back. So, then the closing is just something that we yeah, we just…
Manon Bolliger 39:20
Like is it like a grounding or?
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 39:23
Yes, yeah. And this work, you know, you’re here, come back now, you know, wiggle your hands and feet. So that’s that is the process and I know you love gentle and nice. And here people don’t have to retell their stories. Some people want to tell a little story like, way I did, but they don’t have to. And that’s another thing about privacy. They if there’s stuff they’re embarrassed about. It’s typically adolescent girls that have had some sexual trauma. Do you know what I mean? Fine, don’t talk about it. So anyway, way. Any questions about that Manon?
Manon Bolliger 40:02
Yeah, no, it’s I mean, I, I very much relate to this. And it’s, it’s really nice, because I mean, one of the things I relate to is the symbolism. In my, in my program, Listen, S is for symbols, symptoms as symbols. And it’s, it’s very much using our capacity through symbolism, to have the subconscious work out all the stuff, and then trusting this, what I would call the Supra conscious, this inner knowing that we know, you know, so it’s…it was very exciting. I love the way you’ve laid that out.
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 40:44
Thank you for the opportunity to explain it because it has been such a blessing to be involved in this and to see, see those symbols because people don’t even have to understand it.
Manon Bolliger 40:58
Exactly, exactly. It’s so it’s just like the mind matters away. Who cares? It’s like there’s something else that that’s happening. But we have run out of time.
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 41:09
I know we have
Manon Bolliger 41:11
I think people will stay and you know, enjoy those last 10 minutes. Because that was extremely interesting. And I just want to thank you so much for sharing all your knowledge with us.
Dr P. Teeya Scholten 41:22
Thank you again for the opportunity and I look forward to connecting with you again.
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