How to Empower People with MS with Elizabeth Yarnell on The Healers Café with Manon Bolliger

In this episode of The Healers Café, Manon Bolliger (facilitator and retired naturopath with 30+ years of practice) with Elizabeth Yarnell who I has a virtual clinic where I help MS and other autoimmune sufferers heal through personalized anti-inflammatory diets and other natural protocols.


Highlights from today’s episode include:

Elizabeth Yarnell

one night in 1999, I went to sleep as usual. And I woke the next morning, blind in my right eye. And it was really disorienting and scary I couldn’t read. I couldn’t write I couldn’t.

Elizabeth Yarnell

this is the title of my upcoming book; auto immunity is an oxymoron. Looking for triggers in all the wrong places.

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Elizabeth Yarnell 

they tested the cord blood in brand new newborn babies, and they found more than 200 chemicals in the core blood, just the moment of birth, coming out into this world already contaminated

About Elizabeth Yarnell:

Since being diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in 1999, Elizabeth Yarnell has been on a mission to redefine MS and autoimmunity naturally as a traditional naturopath and Certified LEAP Therapist. She has worked with hundreds of MS and other autoimmune sufferers in her nationwide clinic using unique, personalized non-pharmaceutical therapies to empower them to reclaim their health.  She’s a TEDx speaker, award-winning author whose cookbook has sold more than 70,000 copies, a patented inventor, and has been featured on CBS, NBC, ABC, and PBS as well as in Good Housekeeping, Health, Martha Stewart Living Radio, and many other outlets.

Core Purpose/Passion: My mission is to spread the word that an autoimmune diagnosis need not be a death sentence because you have the power to reclaim your health and your future. You just need the right information.


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About Manon Bolliger

As a recently De-Registered board-certified naturopathic physician & in practice since 1992, I’ve seen an average of 150 patients per week and have helped people ranging from rural farmers in Nova Scotia to stressed out CEOs in Toronto to tri-athletes here in Vancouver.

My resolve to educate, empower and engage people to take charge of their own health is evident in my best-selling books:  ‘What Patients Don’t Say if Doctors Don’t Ask: The Mindful Patient-Doctor Relationship’ and ‘A Healer in Every Household: Simple Solutions for Stress’.  I also teach BowenFirst™ Therapy through Bowen College and hold transformational workshops to achieve these goals.

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Welcome to the Healers Café. Conversations on health and healing with Manon Bolliger. A retired and deregistered naturopathic physician with 30 plus years of experience. Here, you will discover engaging and informative conversations between experienced healers, covering all aspects of healing, the personal journey, the journey of the practitioner, and the amazing possibilities for our own body, and spirit.

Manon Bolliger  00:40

So welcome to the Healers Café. Conversations, today I have with me, Elizabeth Yarnell, and well the exciting thing I want to share about what is happening today or yesterday, she just actually is going to launch her book and a course which will tell you more about it shortly. But let me a little bit tell you the background. So she was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in 1999. And her mission has been to redefine multiple sclerosis and auto immunity naturally as a traditional naturopath and a certified leap therapist. And she’s worked with hundreds of MS and auto and other autoimmune sufferers in her nationwide clinic using unique, personalized non pharmaceutical therapies to empower them to reclaim their health. She has what she has been a TEDx speaker, she sold a cookbook to over 70,000 people. She’s a patented inventor. And featured everywhere like CBC, NBC, ABC, all of those places. And Martha Stewart Living Radio anyway, I think that’s probably enough to give us your background. Yeah, and I guess my first question is what actually started you down this journey? Was it the diagnosis with Ms.


Elizabeth Yarnell  02:23

You know, thank you so much for having me on today Manon. This is so much fun to come back and chat with you again. And it’s always for me really amazing when I listened to that introduction, because when I started, that wasn’t that I never thought I would be at a place like this, I was really just looking for solutions for my own health. Because one night in 1999, I went to sleep as usual. And I woke the next morning, blind in my right eye. And it was really disorienting and scary I couldn’t read. I couldn’t write I couldn’t. I didn’t know what I was going to do for the rest of my life. At that point, I was a freelance journalist and an instructional designer. And I had been working on an article for the Denver Post actually the night before and printed it out of my printer to look it over the next morning. But when I looked at over the next morning, I was like someone had taken an eraser to huge chunks of the text. And it was super frightening and unnerving. And within the short order I was in the doctor’s office diagnosed with optic neuritis or inflammation of the optic nerve and then shuffled off into an MRI where I was diagnosed with …


multiple sclerosis. Really just a life changing moment really overnight, my life changed and my whole vision of my future went away. And I wasn’t sure what was going to happen. But after I learned that 80% of MS patients are significantly disabled within 10 years of diagnosis. I knew that I had to take action to save myself. And that’s when I started investigating the link between what we eat and how we feel and how that makes and allows our body to function.


Manon Bolliger  04:34

Yeah, well there’s nothing like a wake up call with the eye condition and especially when in in traditional so called non traditional I should call it conventional medicine. There’s very little solutions, you know, it’s very much like oh, well you’ve got this autoimmune, incurable disease and you know, and I actually my MS started with optic neuritis as well. So very common, right? Very common. Yeah. And I remember it being such a shocker. And then you know, you start researching, you start looking you start finding out things, I’m assuming that you’re dancing and you’re feeling fine now? Well, exactly



what I realized was that what my doctors were offering me were a assortment of very, very toxic, I would call them experimental drugs with very low efficacy rates, like 22% efficacy, which does not seem to be worth it for the side effects that are so common when you get on these toxic drugs. But my father is a neurologist, and he was very worried. And he, he felt I needed to start a disease modifying therapy right away. So I began injecting myself every day with a pharmaceutical drug. And as a result, I had hives all over my body for three solid years, every single day, a good day was 30, hives, a bad day was 300, hives, it was miserable. And, and by the end of that, my body began to experience a seizure every time I would inject the drug. And finally I said, you know, this is, whatever is going on with my body, it’s telling me it doesn’t want this drug. And by that point, I was already pretty deep into my diet and nutrition and lifestyle changes and was already in that way, cleaning out my body, my environment and along that path. And so I haven’t taken a pharmaceutical drugs since I think that was 2002.


Manon Bolliger  06:58

Wow. And so what what were the main things that you found them, like compared to the McDougal diet or removing lectins, or what has, in your, in your experience been the thing that has helped the most are the things you know, it could be more than one,


Elizabeth Yarnell 07:18

high weight several things for sure. And this is what I teach in my programs, is that, at the beginning, I think at the root of most, if not all, chronic inflammatory conditions, is a hidden parasitic infection. And I think that we, as a society tend to think that parasites are only something that you might experience in underdeveloped parts of the world, maybe tropical areas. But that is absolutely not true. In fact, the Centers for Disease Control in the US estimate that seven out of 10 adults are carrying around a load of parasites in their body and our immune system does not like foreign invaders. And if you have parasites, antibiotics won’t wipe them out, and they won’t go away unless you directly address them. So you end up in this chronic inflammatory cycle, where your immune system says there’s foreign invaders, we need to get rid of them start the immune cascade, and then that happens, but they don’t go away because it doesn’t affect parasites. So I think hidden parasitic infection is enormously important. And then following that, because of the chronic inflammation that causes damage to your digestive tract. So that’s when we have to recognize that food sensitivities are happening. And so I, with my clients, we design a customized anti inflammatory diet based on their unique sensitivities. And then we look at what damage has been done to their digestive tract through a 24 hour urine analysis, and try to supplement them as best we can so that they can achieve complete digestion and begin absorbing and assimilating their nutrients again. So those I think are some of the key factors involved with creating an environment that fosters autoimmunity. And then on top of that, and part of that is the toxicity and this was what my 2014 TED talk was all about, is the all the toxins in our modern world. mean if you live in a city, every time you walk out the door, you’re breathing in particulates and petroleum byproducts. These are not things that the human body evolved to process. So we can very easily become overly toxic and overload our toxic threshold tip over into constant inflammation, inflammatory reactions. So in fact, the title for my The next book is about this. So it’s, I believe that the whole concept of autoimmunity is an oxymoron. If you take the word apart auto means self immunity means allergic. So allergic to self. That is what conventional medicine says it’s happening, oh, you know what your body has become allergic to itself. And that’s why you’re having all these allergic reactions, these inflammatory reactions in your body. But you know what evolution says? Nay, that’s impossible, you would be the whole species would wipe itself out in a short order. So I believe, and this is the title of my upcoming book, auto immunity is an oxymoron. Looking for triggers in all the wrong places. Hmm.


Manon Bolliger  10:52

Yeah. And I mean, it’s an interesting way of looking at it, for sure. Because, I mean, I can see part of the explanation making sense. But on the other hand, it’s, it’s, it is a bit of an oxymoron, right? Because that’s not how we naturally function. Right? Yeah. So, ya know, so I was just thinking about, you know, synthesis. And, and, anyway, we, um, we want to talk about, there’s just like, you know, there are some reactions in the body that seem like the body’s fighting against itself. But if the gut is not healthy, and for example, you have, you know, parasites, therefore, because of a gun, that’s healthy parasites are not going to show up in the same way, or your body will eliminate them far more easily, because we’re made so perfectly. But if we’re, you know, off kilter, and like you said, all these, you know, heavy metals and everything, and we’re constantly bombarded by it. Now, you know, Minar, skies are covered, and it’s just


Elizabeth Yarnell 12:05

like, yes, you know, water supply is terminated, our food is contaminated. It’s everywhere. In fact, you know, the Environmental Working Group did a study, where they tested the cord blood in brand new newborn babies, and they found more than 200 chemicals in the core blood, just the moment of birth, coming out into this world already contaminated.


Manon Bolliger  12:31

Yeah, it’s a real. I mean, it’s like, it’s a long experiment on humans. If you think about it, like, you know, leave us alone. You know, let us let our bodies work as they were meant to, we’re right, late dealing with more factors. And you know, that that affects our ability to cleanse to clear to, you know, and then you end up needing, you know, sometimes more vitamins or more minerals are more, you know, it’s like, we’re in a, in a vicious circle of even taking more natural things. But to compensate for, you know, all the messes in our bodies, you know,


Elizabeth Yarnell 13:15

right, right. And I, you know, detoxifying, I think is a big, essential thing for us to do in many ways. I in my clinic, I’ve been seeing a lot of connections between heavy metal absorption and autoimmunity, but also, things like senility and Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s, a lot of these, a lot of these aging related diseases might not have to be so, so devastating if we could only just simply work on detoxing these lifetime of heavy metals out of the body.


Manon Bolliger  13:58

So and what what have you found helpful for detoxing, because there’s, there’s many methods and some are much more intense than others.


Elizabeth Yarnell 14:11

There are and in fact, there are some that actually I’m scared to use myself or even to recommend, because they can have some I’m gonna say violent results and can be a little frightening. And especially if, like me, I’m working with people who may already be in a fragile state of health and I don’t want to add in something that might trigger more reactions in their body. So my favorite way to detox doesn’t doesn’t necessitate any kind of dietary changes. It doesn’t necessitate any supplements that might be expensive or questionable. I’m a big fan of the ionic footbath


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Elizabeth Yarnell 15:34

And in fact, I just launched a course called auto immune detox And you can go and you can learn everything you need to know about getting your own ionic footbath. They’re remarkably affordable. And in fact, if you want me to, I’ll even send you a whole kit for just a couple 100 bucks, or you can get your own off of Amazon or wherever. And just follow the course. And I’ll tell you everything you need to know about doing a therapeutic month, basically of ionic foot baths, and how it can help clear those heavy metals, parasites even and other toxins out of your body yeast as well will come out through the ionic footbath.


Manon Bolliger  16:18

That’s definitely something I have zero experience with in my in my clinic, I don’t think we’re even allowed to do that. Because there’s always different rules, you know, different.


Elizabeth Yarnell 16:29

It’s true, it’s true. And I think it’s been, it’s been something that has been poo pooed by, certainly by conventional doctors, for many years. But really, I think electro SUTA Khals are probably the medicines of the future. And its uses electricity. Coal means a remedy that uses electricity to heal. And this is what an ionic flipback does, it uses electricity to change the charge in your body and open up the walls of the cells so that they can release those toxins and they can actually come out into the water.


Manon Bolliger  17:09

And so have you been able and again, this is the question I get asked or got asked all the time. Do you have like, test before and test after to show that this works? Or is it because people believe in it? And I just thought given the audience that’s listening, I’ve got to ask you that question.


Elizabeth Yarnell 17:29

I you know, that is very interesting. No, because I don’t know of an effective test, maybe you can enlighten me if you know of one that will show how toxic how a person might be. So I don’t test before, if that is something that somebody needed, usually people feel a little toxic. Or they’re having trouble getting their health on track, or they’re having symptoms, and they maybe they know they have been exposed. Maybe they live next to a factory growing up, or they lived on a farm and exposed to all those pesticides and things like that. So sometimes people already self identify. But I think it’s a very good first step into the world of, of natural health and healing yourself. Because it’s not expensive. It’s much more affordable than for instance, going through my entire program, because the other testing I do is quite expensive. So it can be an affordable first step, and there really are no detrimental side effects.


Manon Bolliger  18:43

But I was thinking for for I mean, the the task that is the least acceptable. But I think the most accurate is actually the symptomatology of the patient. Yeah, you know, how does the patient actually feel? What’s energy? What’s their sleep? What’s, what else is going on? And, you know, there’s things like hair analysis, which because it’s the extracellular here is the extracellular aspect, it does hold some of the metals, right. So that’s another way of checking. I know when I had high mercury levels at one point that, you know, I could see that so that might be a test, which is not overly expensive to two years.


Elizabeth Yarnell 19:35

That’s a very good idea. I usually only think about doing hair analysis for minerals. But I think that’s a really good idea. That might be something I can bring into my clinic and start using now.


Manon Bolliger  19:49

If you’re seeing so many people, you know, with one condition, it’s really it’s a perfect setup for actual are you doing tests that that show that natural things do work? Right? Yes. Yeah. You know, so, I mean, I’m mixed on how many tests you need, because there’s some clinics you walk into, and it’s like, after paying like, $2,000 worth of tests, it’s true, then they’re gonna treat you and it’s like, you know, just treat as, right. All right, feel better.


Elizabeth Yarnell 20:25

So, so I do have an assessment that they fill out before and after that, that can be used as a guidepost in that way. I guess I was thinking you were really after looking for like a laboratory test?


Manon Bolliger  20:43

Well, it can be both. That’s why I’m asking just to see what people would have what diet wise to like, do you? Have you found that certain foods like lectins, for example, are an issue for most people, or not particularly, or, yes, because of parasites.


Elizabeth Yarnell 21:05

I would say not at all, well in so in my clinic, we clear parasites for everybody first, that happens first, because even if you don’t have parasites, no harm done. But we probably have them and we need to level the playing field before we even start doing any dietary changes or anything else. So so they clear the parasites first. And then we use this very, very accurate food sensitivity test called the mediator release test. So this test is not the same as like everlywell are the other tests that you might be seeing on the market. Those are IgG IGE antibody tests, which are very, I think, unreliable and unhelpful when you’re looking to assess food sensitivities. So the mediator release test, as opposed to those other tests does not look for antibodies, it looks for mediator release. So the most famous mediator we all know is histamine, we know that if we have a poison ivy encounter or bee sting, and we take some Benadryl, which is an anti histamine that we can get some relief from the pain that inflammation is causing from that encounter. Histamine is only one of 80 or more mediators that the bloodstream can release upon exposure to what it deems to be a threat. So this test is unique. And there’s only one lab in the entire country that runs it. And it tests 170 foods and chemicals to see which ones trigger our blood to our white blood cells to release the inflammatory cascade, the mediators that incite that. So that’s the subtitle of my book, right, looking for triggers, and all the wrong places. Because traditional Western medicine doesn’t do this. It’s not looking for these triggers. But meanwhile, I can tell you, I wish I wish I could say everyone with MS should avoid lectins. But that is a complete lie and mythology because every single person I test has a unique a unique print in their gut. And for myself, for example, one of my most inflammatory foods is lettuce. What is what would you think would be the healthiest thing to reach for right? What do you reach for when you’re trying to improve your health and salad? But for me, when I eat lettuce, that’s when I get some pretty severe ms symptom is where I become wobbly and my feet my start falling over and tripping. So I would have never guessed that there’s no lectins and lettuce.


Manon Bolliger  23:45

No, no. And certainly, antibody tests would be rather useless there. Yeah.


Elizabeth Yarnell 23:50

Nor would I recommend everybody avoid lettuce. Right know exactly. The same for everybody.


Manon Bolliger  23:57

I’m with you on the food issue, you know, is like and then naturopathic college is very, they really push that, you know, this, this thing, or this fad could be something to consider. But in the end, we’re individuals, we have to look at how we react, but then the tasks. I agree, they’re not they’re not good tasks. They don’t really tell you anything.


Elizabeth Yarnell 24:26

Right. Right.


Manon Bolliger  24:27

I mean, a leader response, right, it’s not your triggered response. Right. And we see this being played out currently as well, you know, it’s like, right now. Yeah. So


Elizabeth Yarnell 24:41

and beyond that antibodies, if they’re not Ida can be triggered but not cause any symptoms, you can be asymptomatic. So you your body, that’s in fact, that’s what’s supposed to happen when an antibody is triggered, right? It’s supposed to be protective of us. So the The antibody is there, it latches on to the allergen, the the white blood cells come around and kill it and they sweep it out to the lymphatic system. That’s how it’s supposed to work. Exactly. Right. So looking for antibodies is looking in the wrong place. Yeah, I believe. Yeah.


Manon Bolliger  25:22

So let’s see what else to ask you about this. I think we’ve covered the main thing that anyone with MS really needs to look at. You’ve got resources, your and your cookbook, I’m assuming


Elizabeth Yarnell 25:35

ideal. My cookbook works really, really well for MS and other autoimmune sufferers or anyone who’s just looking to for an easy way to get a healthy dinner on the table. I don’t know if I can pull it up here a little bit. Let’s see,


Manon Bolliger  25:52

kind of, if you go to the There we go. Yep, that’s perfect.


Elizabeth Yarnell 25:57

So it’s called glorious one pot meals. And in fact, if your listeners want to go to glorious one pot, No hyphen there. They can sign up to get my ultimate checklist for stocking your pantry and your freezer for quick, easy and healthy dinners. And while we’re talking about MS and diet, if they go to multiple sclerosis, you can get my top three items that someone with MS or other autoimmune issues should never eat.


Manon Bolliger  26:33

Oh, I’m curious what that is. But


Elizabeth Yarnell  26:37

well, I won’t spoil the surprise


Manon Bolliger  26:39

No. Okay, well, anyway, it was lovely speaking with you, and congrats on them on getting this information out to more people because definitely autoimmunity is a general thing is is definitely on the rise. So it’s wonderful to have simple solutions that, you know, get to the root of things, change people’s lives. So


Elizabeth Yarnell 27:09

Well, yes. And you know, in fact, I’m super excited, I’m about to launch a new program. Depending on when this comes out. So you might have to jump on it because we’re starting December 5 2022. It’s called the auto immune reset experience. And if you go to auto immune, reset, you can find out a lot more about it, but it includes, it’s a joint program I’m hosting with Dr. Irene COP of the shift Institute. And it includes resetting your immune system through tapping and you’re working with your adrenals along with my functional medicine slanted program, where we work with lab results in and design customized plans for you to follow in your day to day life. So that’s a great place to learn more about how this can go. And wow, I’ve given you guys a lot of a lot of URLs this time. But the last one I want to share is if you have any other questions, please reach out to me at my website at Elizabeth


Manon Bolliger  28:17

And we’ll have all those links underneath as well. Thank you so much for sharing all that with us.


Elizabeth Yarnell 28:25

Well, thank you Dr. manaan. This has been super fun again, and I can’t wait to the next time we get together.


Manon Bolliger  28:31

Yeah. Oh, I forgot to correct. I’m so used to it. It’s 30 years but I’m no longer a doctor because I got my license taken away so


Elizabeth Yarnell 28:44

that they take away your mind and your wisdom and your knowledge and you’ll always be a doctor to me.


Manon Bolliger  28:51

Thank you and also my desire to help people I just do it differently.


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