How you can Transform the Wounded Healer with Mike Marschausen on The Healers Café with Dr. Manon Bolliger, ND
In this episode of The Healers Café, Dr. Manon Bolliger, ND, chats with Mike Marschausen a holistic health coach, intuitive healer, empath, and highly sensitive person, years after his deployment to Afghanistan as a United States army in infantry
Highlights from today’s episode include:
Mike Marschausen (22:49):
Of course you have to come through a place where you realize you don’t need to be fixed and you’ll get a lot more healing in that way. But you know, it’s, that’s something that you really have to go through even just like intellectually, it isn’t going to cut it.
Mike Marschausen (23:06):
You still have this, this feeling of, well, I have to just, if I could just fix this, then, you know, then that’ll happen. And that’s definitely been a driving force for me through, through everything, through all the healing and through my curiosity and my passion and the discipline. And so this is, one of the positive sides to the wounded healer, not necessarily the shadow side is that it drives my curiosity. It draws my passion it just drives me wanting to be better wanting to learn more healing modalities.
Mike Marschausen (24:35):
I’ve done healing around this, I’ve also a kind of an image that comes up, whether this is just an actual past life or whether this is just you know mental imagery to, to teach the lesson is as a monk who He, wants to serve God so, so much, but from such a place of fear, and he’s so afraid to do anything wrong through because he doesn’t want to be judged by God, or judged to be unholy. So is so afraid to do really anything. And, you know, it definitely doesn’t want to touch money, doesn’t want any type of intimate relationships.
Mike Marschausen (25:22):
So this just keeps you from living your life, it keeps you to stay small and you know, and this is like this idea that so many healers and empaths have, right? Like that’s what it means to be Holy. And so with that came up, we had to work around, this is ,I’d rather be whole than Holy, so we should never seek to be Holy beccause that’s not even like a real thing.
Mike Marschausen (35:24):
I see empath as a vortex and so I think all the empaths collectively are serving as like the vortex is for the collective consciousness, right.
About Mike Marchhausen
Mike Marschhausen is the co-founder of Mike & Suzie Health and Wellness and the podcast co-host of The Mike & Suzie Show. He helps ambitious men live energetic, healthy lives in order to achieve their full human potential. He focuses on holistically integrating all aspects of life for well-rounded health and happiness.
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About Dr. Manon Bolliger, ND:
Dr. Manon is a Naturopathic Doctor, the Founder of Bowen College, an International Speaker with an upcoming TEDx talk in May 2020, and the author of the Amazon best-selling book “What Patient’s Don’t Say if Doctors Don’t Ask.” Watch for her next book, due out in 2020.
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Dr Manon (00:02):
Hello, and welcome to the healers cafe today. I have the pleasure of having an interview with Mike Marschausen and he’s, a holistic health coach, intuitive healer, empath, and highly sensitive person, years after his deployment to Afghanistan as a United States army in infantry, he found out he was suffering from PTSD, using all that he had learned about health and healing prior to his diagnosis. He began diving even deeper into his healing journey to successfully heal. And I’m not going to read any further from your bio, welcome. Tell us a little bit, whether it’s that journey or your initial journey, how did you find yourself in the healing field?
Mike Marschausen (00:58):
Thank you so much for having me here, Dr Manon and there are two main significant awakening points that I had , the first one was………. So the second one was definitely more like the spiritual awakening you might say, but this was, I can definitely say very spiritual. So the first awakening was this feeling that I had for the first time of I’m not stuck the way I am and that, I always kind of, I felt I had a lot of brain fog and the didn’t ever really feel very like smart or confident and, with poor focus and it just kind of like thought that’s how I was. And I was studying nutrition at the time in undergrad. And it was just, you know, starting to get more into just, not just what I was being taught there, but, learning other things too some stuff about like gut health.
Mike Marschausen (01:50):
And i decided to do like a paleo diet, just try it out, i was hearing some stuff about it and not for weight loss this was after Afghanistan too. And I had put on a lot of muscle there. So i was a pretty big fit dude, but definitely wouldn’t say I was the healthiest. And then after that, I had all these symptoms just like went away and the brain fog and all this stuff. And I was just like, wait, what just happened? Like I had so much energy all throughout the day, like, you know, from when I woke up to when I went to sleep and it was just like, what is going on? my brain was sharper and, i was like getting, doing better on tests.
Mike Marschausen (02:27):
And so that was the, first like, Whoa, like I’m not stuck the way I am. I can do something and, you know, to change, to have a different outcome in my life. So that was the first kind of awakening. And then that led down to …
then I only wanted to study clinical nutrition and ended up studying with some great people and then kind of left that master’s degree to just travel the world and start my own business and start doing teaching, doing personal training and health coaching. So I was going down that road and I’m married my wife. And then we went off to Bali and just started traveling, working online and, helping people. And we had a podcast and everything but then I was struggling a lot. And so throughout the time I was, you know, just continuing learning of, the root cause of why.
Mike Marschausen (03:19):
I just changed something and I felt better and I’m going to keep doing that because I like feeling better. So why don’t some people change? Like why are some people stuck with these patterns for so long? And so I was constantly exploring that. And then just my understanding of nutrition was developing and I started to realize that it had a lot more to do with relationships, relationships, with food relationships, with their body relationships, with themselves. And then now in realizing your relationship with God and how that all relates. And so that’s when I got into belief systems and I’m doing all that. So I was setting that for my clients. And then on my end, I was struggling to figure things out for myself and just, you know, make more money to continue living this awesome life and traveling around.
Mike Marschausen (04:02):
And there was at one point in Portugal and I had was, had a lot of clients just like all these like sales calls lined up and just like so many things look like, you know, they’re about to be going great. but I was just so stressed out and my appendix ended up bursting and, looking back at it now I see that it was, it was from the stress, even though I was, I mean, I was in Portugal, so maybe I was eating a little extra cheesecake, a little more wine than usual, but other than that, like I was taking pretty good care of myself and I was still susceptible to that. And, I had to slow down. And so the stress was really kind of preventing me from moving forward in life. And so fast forward a little bit to the second awakening, which was in Carmen, Mexico. I spent about a year there, but this time I was there for six months.
Dr Manon (04:58):
I’m going to stop you there because I want to get some clarification on the first level because you raised something that I think is so needed right now to be heard is that you have to change something for change to happen. It’s so obvious. And so basic, and yet that’s the biggest fear. People are afraid typically to change things. And yet they, they get upset about things, how they are, you know, their health. And so can we just go into this it appears very like, well, I’m going to do this and I’ll just try that and see how it feels like it. So it was very kind of a light way of approaching change. Can, you go a little bit more into that, the mindset that allowed you and the circumstances that prompted you to just make a change and see the results, which then you accepted because obviously they were good.
Mike Marschausen (06:04):
Definitely. The first word that comes up, when you ask that question is responsibility it comes to a place where, taking self responsibility is among the top core things that anyone needs when it comes to transformation where they need a commitment and a responsibility, They have to realize that they are the ones who are responsible for, the change, maybe not responsible for how they got there, if they’re just acting unconsciously since a very early age, but once you become aware, then you know, it’s your responsibility, only you can change you. And yeah, I definitely agree that that’s probably one of the most important things needed right now, but then also what’s the opposite of that. It’s a victim mentality and that’s probably one of the most destructive forces …..in that you can have within your mindset and even in terms of ethics and psychoneuroimmunology, so even in terms of your health, having a victim mindset is really gonna actually make your health worse.
Mike Marschausen (07:10):
So it was the self responsibility, but then also for me it was just excitement and passion that kind of kept me going and we know after it happened. And I don’t know if it’s something about my, kind of the rebel nature that I have. So just in general I’m not going to do things the way everything else is, everyone else is going to do it. I’m just gonna do my own thing and not really like caring and then mixed with also maybe some elements of like the, the deployment and you know, after just a year or two prior, you know, being deployed for a year in Afghanistan. And I think that kind of added to my, don’t give a F… Attitude
Dr Manon (07:54):
Yeah, Mike, we’re going to have to repeat that part. It went weird after the Deployment the other part where you’re explaining the deployment part that was your radical nature. And then you said,……….,
Mike Marschausen (08:13):
I was talking about the rebel nature and then just having been in Afghanistan a couple of years prior, which I think kind of created not necessarily in the best way, maybe some, definitely some shadow elements to it, but like this, yeah…… This don’t give a heck attitude. So it was just like, I’m just, I’m just going to do this because you know, why not?it kind of like changed, you know, something in there that was also like an initiation process to, into manhood that I had not had ……that pretty much nobody in society, our Western society has any anymore. ceremonies and rites of passage and initiation. So that was an initiation into adulthood. so think I was able to use some of that adulthood and self-responsibility that happened there to be able to take it and to just be like, and then just, yeah. Follow, follow the passion.
Dr Manon (09:05):
when you came out of an army training what was the element in the transformation that made you decide, Oh, I’m going to try Palio diet. What was the thing that you were trying to fix? or you were trying to ….. what was the, why, why did you go that route?
Mike Marschausen (09:33):
Dr Manon (09:35):
And I think that’s brilliant because I think it starts with curiosity. Sometimes, we try something because we were curious and curious as in……. Obviously if the net result for you would be that you felt terrible and weak and awful, you would stop it, but you found by trying it just being curious, you felt significantly more energetic.
Mike Marschausen (10:01):
And how many people, do a diet out of curiosity, It’s usually out of self abuse and punishment and you know, like self shame. And so it’s like, no wonder ,that’s not going to stick because you didn’t do it from a place of, love really or curiosity.
Dr Manon (10:20):
I think that’s the key really, at least in the work I’ve done and seen it’s you know, even the word die … it dying, you have to see the potential and the benefit and commit to it. And if it doesn’t work, it’s not the right one, you know, because we don’t know what it is, but you have to have that commitment. And like you say, take that self responsibility otherwise nothing’s gonna show you anything except for your own constant failures. And you’ll just use that as your ammunition, why nothing works,. Exactly. So then you said you had a second sort of awakening, so let’s go with that.
Mike Marschausen (11:08):
I’d say the first one is kind of boring compared to this one, to me at least. But I guess as I talk about it now, it was extremely important. So the second one came…………… I am just really kind of like obsessing, trying to, fix my mind and reprogram my subconscious mind. And I started reading all these books about subconscious and mindset and belief systems and doing everything I could to just to address mine. And then, we were in Mexico and we met this woman and who we found a dog the second day that we were there and we ended up keeping her. And we met a lot of people through her and she’s awesome. But the woman we met who said that she was.a clairvoyant and that she could give us some info about the dog and do some healing ………
Mike Marschausen (12:02):
I didn’t really even know too much about clairvoyants or what that meant. And so for other people who don’t, it’s a way of physic seeing. And one of the psychic senses or, or is it the term that, you know, It’s like seeing the sixth sensor, it’s another way of seeing things that not everyone has or has not everyone has tuned into the possibility. And so, so we sure. And then she said some stuff about the dog and that she did like a little healing. And then she started talking to my wife and our friend and me ended up doing like a little like spontaneous healing, in, this restaurant in Mexico with them too.
Mike Marschausen (12:54):
And then to me, she looked at me and said,, Oh, I think you would like data healing. I think that seems like it resonated with you. And because it’s a type of energy healing, that’s well known for reprogramming the subconscious mind. And I was like, Hey, that’s what I’m trying to do. So, I picked it up. I was like this book. And she said, yeah. So I was like, okay. So you know, I got it and read through it and started practicing. And so at this point I started this, this spiritual awakening that was already starting to happen around this time. I started getting chills very intensely, very, very frequently. Like I had never had before. And then I started to be able to like relate it to like some type of truth.
Mike Marschausen (13:32):
When it was over, there was some type of truth or a message or something important. I would get chills throughout my body at different places, different intensities. And so I read this book and I started practicing. And then, and then asking the digging questions that a teacher is to get to the particular beliefs that you’re working on, I would get chills on whatever one was the belief that we’re working for, like a hundred percent of the time. And you mentioned the name of the book, because everyone’s wondering what book is, it’s called Theda healing healing. Okay. And then the author I’m going to butcher her name at the psych of Vienis DePaul I don’t know how to read that spell that for you. You’ll find it.
Mike Marschausen (14:20):
And so I’m having these experiences, like I’m feeling something when I do it on myself and people I’m practicing with like they’re having to get an immediate response, like knowing something’s changes. And sometimes I’m just doing the work without saying anything and then like this, person’s having a response. And so again, here in coming from like a science background and military background, like this is completely new to me and like blowing my mind and I’m just like, not really even believing it, you know, the whole time, but I’m still like, so there’s part of me that’s like in it and doing it. Another part of me was like, This doesn’t make any sense. And that part was there for a couple years. But anyway, so I was i gotta learn more.
Mike Marschausen (14:58):
I flew to Miami from Cancun to do to a training for it. And I texted my cousin,to see if he wanted to join he came and yeah, this ended up being not so much a, textbook kind of thing. It was actually more like a small intimate like healing retreat. And Joyce she’s the one who was the facilitator. She’s awesome. And so this is where I really got to understood trauma because I was having massive, massive trauma releases. And at one point my body was just convulsing and shaking on the ground and shivering, but I was just had so much……. And just like someone was such so much energetic, just release and emotional release.
Mike Marschausen (15:50):
And, and so that was, to me the awakening thing had that all this was happening and this wasn’t even about the PTSD stuff yet. This was just like other stuff. And this is where I learned about past lives. I never knew really anything about it, but here I’m, you know, I’m having visceral body responses and reactions to them and just all this kind of all this stuff. And afterwards, you know, I left and this was just like, this is what I’m meant to do. I just know it and like said to my cousin, like we have to help people with this. Like at the time we had …..men with it, but still working on that, I’ve worked with 99% women since. And, and yeah, so that was, that was the second open. And that just opened the doors.
Mike Marschausen (16:34):
That blew open my psychic senses. And so where I didn’t have to ask all these questions and wait to get chills, I could help people just, you know, connect to it really quickly and then ended up kind of developing my own, my own healing style from there, just from the clients that I was working with. And, you know, almost as if like I was being guided through spirit, showing me how to do things, you know, each client, each new session or each new client Was like, kind of like spirit teaching me something about how to do healing work. And that just kind of has been developing ever since I’ll leave it there for now and then I can eventually take you into the healing of the PTSD, but that was the second big thing. And how I got into doing this healing work now and how it completely changed my life.
Dr Manon (17:17):
a huge transformation from a mindset that seems unlikely to, you know, something completely different than……quite The journey.
Mike Marschausen (17:33):
Yeah. Beer drinking meathead. I was in the infantry, like, you know,
Dr Manon (17:39):
I was gonna ask you this question, but it’s like, and it’s sort of a side point, but you’re, in the journey while helping people at the same time being, feeling guided. And I was reading in a post you wrote on the healthy empath, you wrote confidence is when, the heart and soul unite. And I just, I loved that statement. I just thought, can you expand on that before we get into the PTSD specifically.,
Mike Marschausen (18:32):
Heart and soul unite.So I actually found that quote when,in one of my notebooks of all the quotes I keep. And so I wasn’t actually sure. I came up with that or someone else that, but yeah that definitely did happen right there because you know, my, my heart and soul United. And so I just like stepped into this place of, doing this work with these people and, you know, just whereas a lot of other people, all of the healers too, especially when we talk about the wounded healer archetype, they don’t really feel ready for that. They don’t feel comfortable with that yet. You know, I gotta get a couple more certifications. I’m going to wait until I help more people do this.
Mike Marschausen (19:15):
Or I have people either free or really cheap for a long time. And so they’re not really in that place of confidence. And so i,m not always, in that place, but at that time, it definitely was because there was this huge opening of my heart and this connection with my soul. And then they were like, you know, guiding me into doing this healing work. And I just had this knowing of, this is what I have to do i….. No other option. Like there is not one. And so, yeah, I would love to, even for myself to get back to that right now, again, you know, it comes in waves and I think that it is such a powerful place to be. because, you’re into knowing when that happens. Not just like believing……..you’re not acting …..you just know,
Dr Manon (20:03):
I love that we’re talking about this. because one of the things I do, I train healthcare practitioners or practitioners in general to become a Bowen therapist, which is a physical modality, but I integrate all of my, my knowledge also on trauma and awakening in that sense. And we talk about confidence, you know, and what is confidence? And and I, and for me, when I read that quote, I went, Oh my gosh, this is, so it speaks to me so deeply and explains a process that I, yeah, it’s well said because I feel like it when I’m in that state, which as you say, you’re not constantly, or I’m constantly in it, I could feel it, but it’s like it’s like a download state. You just feel a deep connection and you’re guided and, and your, your client becomes your teacher. It’s like, there’s, you know, the next steps become obvious and you don’t need to think about it, you know? And it doesn’t matter how many degrees that’s really never going to make the difference. You know, it’s, I have found that most of the healing that happens now, the information is there, but it’s not the guiding thing that helps towards that transformation. And so anyway, I wanted to share that because it really spoke to me.
Mike Marschausen (21:33):
Another word that comes up when we talk about that is power. And I think that’s, you could also throw that in there. because if you like the confidence and the union of the heart and soul like that, then you’re, you’re in your place of power. And you’re in your place of power. You’re confident. Of course you are. Yeah. So I think that’s a great depiction of how to be powerful too. because then again, that’s all that’s relating to the wounded healers who are so afraid of their power,
Dr Manon (22:01):
So that’s how you see the wounded healer are the healers afraid of their own power.
Mike Marschausen (22:10):
Yeah. That was definitely a part of it that I see for sure.
Dr Manon (22:14):
Now let’s talk about that for a moment. What is the wounded healer for you?
Mike Marschausen (22:19):
of course you think of classically it’s, you know, the person who got into healing work because they had to kill themselves. So very simply that’s kind of like I forget probably Carl Young, but don’t know so, for me too, that was the, yeah. And just like, what has, what drives this constant curiosity, this desire, this passion, and a lot of the time it is it’s, there’s a desire to fix yourself. Of course you have to come through a place where you realize you don’t need to be fixed and you’ll get a lot more healing in that way. But you know, it’s, that’s something that you really have to go through even just like intellectually, it isn’t going to cut it.
Mike Marschausen (23:06):
You still have this, this feeling of, well, I have to just, if I could just fix this, then, you know, then that’ll happen. And that’s definitely been a driving force for me through, through everything, through all the healing and through my curiosity and my passion and the discipline. And so this is, one of the positive sides to the wounded healer, not necessarily the shadow side is that it drives my curiosity. It draws my passion it just drives me wanting to be better wanting to learn more healing modalities.kind of when you deal with that, you know, I want to carry with me forever. They make the wounded healer go away. we transform it and ……… face the shadow..
Mike Marschausen (23:48):
the smallness keeps you in the fear, keeps you from stepping into those places of power…… And another, I kind of coined a term that called the light ego, and I think this is related to the wounded healer. And so this is, you know, that part of the ego or the voice or the part of the shadow.That wants to keep you small. And that tells you not to,, step not to take on that responsibility, you know, not to charge, a certain amount of money, if any. And definitely doesn’t want you, you know, speaking your truth in front of a bunch of people and, doing it on doing all that stuff, because, you know, you could hurt somebody’s feelings and you might cause conflict.
Mike Marschausen (24:35):
, when I’ve done healing around this, I’ve also a kind of an image that comes up, whether this is just an actual past life or whether this is just you know mental imagery to, to teach the lesson is as a monk who He, wants to serve God so, so much, but from such a place of fear, and he’s so afraid to do anything wrong through because he doesn’t want to be judged by God, or judged to be unholy. So is so afraid to do really anything. And, you know, it definitely doesn’t want to touch money, doesn’t want any type of intimate relationships..
Mike Marschausen (25:22):
So this just keeps you from living your life, it keeps you to stay small and you know, and this is like this idea that so many healers and empaths have, right? Like that’s what it means to be Holy. And so with that came up, we had to work around, this is ,I’d rather be whole than Holy, so we should never seek to be Holy beccause that’s not even like a real thing. Or at least not the way i perceive it, like these ascended masters and old Jesus, maybe we would’ve done that as like, you know, we would’ve done. And I was just like, yo, you want to be in your wholeness own it and embrace your shadow. And that’s how you can transcend and transform the wounded healer archetype within you.
Dr Manon (26:04):
Derek Rydall comes to mind with the his work on emergence where he, I think he, he really speaks to the wounded healer as well. And, that place of wholeness, which I think is why his name came up.
Dr Manon (26:26):
Derek Rydell he does quite a kind of amazing work putting that together and helping mostly, I mean, it’s, you know, all, all people, but it’s who he attracts the wounded healers and the transformation is embracing the shadow side and, and ending up in your, in your power. So it’s anyway I just thought I’d share that because it came to, it came to mind and I think it’s so important. And I, I love the way you tie in that, the aspect of the belief system that therefore you can’t charge, therefore, you know, it’s like you diminish all of what you are based on this, not embracing all of who you are. And, I know with a lot of practitioners, it’s like, well, I’m not good enough yet. And I, you know, it’s like, no, you know, you’ve come here to help people. And, this is where the, the healer healer’s journey is really significant so great. Okay. I want to now go to PTSD and what you did and what happened.
Mike Marschausen (27:48):
So what happened was, after that Fabian weekend, I think maybe six months later So what happened was my mom heard me on a podcast, just kind of,….. I wasn’t really making a joke, but I was making light of something kind of making a joke of it saying how, like, I was afraid to walk on dirt roads for like years afterwards. And I said, I was still was, but I mean, for like five years, and again, like, still could feel it. And so it’s just, you hear me mention something like that just because of an experience that happened when I was there and she said something to me and it………….. Something struck within me.
Mike Marschausen (28:34):
And so that got me to look, go a little deeper into it. And then Eventually you go like talk to, you know, someone a professional who could be like, Oh yeah, like that’s PTSD. Like, so it would actually like you have diagnosed, not this isn’t just me like, Oh yeah, I definitely had it. Like, this is also from a professional’s opinion as well. And so I’m not severe, super severe PTSD. Like what some people have experienced ……. like not sleeping…….. can’t hold a job, not sleeping, but as it was definitely affecting me in a lot of ways. And so hearing that was actually kind of over, it was quite a relief.
Mike Marschausen (29:15):
I definitely still feel it. And yeah, just like, I just have this feeling of always wanting, wanting to fix myself or something’s wrong with me. And then just to have that kind of like that validation and someone like, you know, and just being able to like put some of the pieces together and …… Oh, that all makes sense now. Like, you know, because, and then also now learning about like the empath and the highly sensitive present, kind of things and how I check a lot of the boxes there. And, and so seeing like a lot, so going back to like when my appendix burst, so all that stress, from the business and from everything and just triggering on the stresses, the unresolved drama and the fear that was still in my body.
Mike Marschausen (30:03):
And that’s why I was having such a hard time with reaching my goals with, why having the health thing. And then also with what it took for me to maintain even keel had to eat super healthy exercise almost every day, meditate every day, do deep breathing, go for long walks. I was doing all this stuff, but I realized it was coping. And we often he’ll hear a lot about that when it comes to PTSD. So how do you manage, how do you cope? And some of my perspectives was like, I don’t want to manage and cope. I want to heal i want to transform. And that’s what I realized was, Oh my gosh, I’ve been just been like coping all this this whole time. And then how do I want to go into the healing?
Mike Marschausen (30:48):
And then, so that’s kind of when I just started using a lot of the, the healing work that I was doing and started working on that. Whether it was one summer where I ended up doing a lot of sessions with other people. All these women who had various forms of PTSD from a lot of, you know, sexual abuse, definitely a lot, a lot. And then even some from like some hospitals like surgeries and some from just, you know, abuse of parents in different ways. And so, no, soldiers, but it’s just, I’m working with all these people with these traumas. And then so that was actually a really big healing experience for me, was facilitating the healing for these other people. And especially because, you know, it’s not like when you work with like a therapist and then office and then how you’re kind of like sitting there together and like one person’s the expert.
Mike Marschausen (31:38):
And I was just like not even like on camera and just like in my Romeo online. So I’m crying like every single session and just like crying at the same time, as well as, guiding them through their experiences. And so that was the healing work that I do now, which isn’t necessarily Theda healing. I didn’t really even know what to call it my favourite way to explain is saying I helped people experience themselves because that’s really what’s happening. And you’re just being a gentle guide to help somebody go into their own, you know, inner landscape to be able to process and work with whatever’s going on there. And so I did a lot of that. and then I started doing, I went to the VA, there was a yoga therapy program and they had at the end of the session, they had a gong sound bath.
Mike Marschausen (32:29):
So I fell in love with sound healing there.Sound healing and yoga therapy acupuncture really enjoyed and doing it. But the main part was really just, and then a lot of times just like in nature and self-reflection, but they had, the biggest thing was just being on the journey, just like saying yes to the journey and allowing whatever you’re in the experiences come along the way. And then just like taking the emotions as they come, knowing how to work with them and then doing sessions with other people, doing sessions with some friends who I had all they were clients and then I help them kind of own their own inner healer. And then so they ended up doing a lot of stuff for me. And so those are some of the biggest elements of you know, healing through that.
Mike Marschausen (33:17):
a big kind of conclusion piece of the puzzle was the second time in Mexico when I did a various plant medicine ceremonies using different things. And they actually in particular this isn’t a plant medicine but I had one sweat lodge experience. That was actually one of the most profound healing experiences I’ve ever had before and what happened in there. And so then they were all these and that’s where I kind of learned about it. So it was a lot of it is about safety, When you’re doing, dealing with trauma, you need to feel safe on earth, you need to feel safe in your body. And so going through these experiences to feel more safe within yourself. And that was probably some of the the biggest things that I’ve used along the way where those things I can get into any more of them specifically, if we have time or whatever,
Dr Manon (34:09):
the other thing I want to touch because we are coming close to the end, but I wanted to also touch about the healthy empath. because that’s the title of, is it your blog ? The brand brand. Yeah. And I wanted you to explain what empath is and what a healthy empath is.
Mike Marschausen (34:36):
this kind of came through when I was working with all these different people and this concept of the empath was, was rising, which traditionally referred to as people who can feel the energies of other things.So from other people, or even just from, you know, nature of different nature animals, whatever they can, they can feel those subtle energies and whether they even know it or not. And it’s like one of the problems with empaths often they don’t know that’s what they’re feeling. And then, yeah, so for me being an empath is really just, I see it as like a heightened sensitivity and a heightened awareness and be at being able to be a few of those other things. But I guess one of the ways I see it is almost like a, like a vortex.
Mike Marschausen (35:24):
I see empath as a vortex And so I think all the empaths collectively are serving as like the vortex is for the collective consciousness, right. So they’re, they’re bringing in. So I also have this suspicion that everyone is on that path to some level. Which people kind of like leave out. But I was like, at the end of the day, everyone is actually, since it was those things, whether they know it or not, or at least could be, but maybe some are more than others. And so for those people who are more than others or who are aware of it, I see, yeah. There’s more energy coming in and it’s like a filtration process to kind of cleanse the energy of, of the earth, of human consciousness the, the evolution of the consciousness.
Mike Marschausen (36:05):
And then one of the problems with that is the way that you have to do that is by embarking on your own healing journey. And a lot of people just get caught kind of that the victim state and along that path, I can just feel all these other things, but yeah. Well, why are you feeling it and what are you doing with it? And it’s not just like some like curse or some disease, you know? And so I ideally then that’s where the healthy impact comes in. So healthy impacts recognizes that you know, that’s, you’re like that for a reason. And then, you know, it’s important for you to embrace your own healing journey. because that’s where it starts. because you can’t start your, you know, filtering all this other energy. If, you have so much stuff of your own energy, you know, blocked in your energy body, isn’t healthy, then, you know, it’s just going to be triggering on whatever is in you and that’s going to be dragging you down.
Mike Marschausen (36:53):
But when you do your own healing work and you heal, you own your energy body, then it’s not able to trigger on all those things,, and make you sick and,, stuck in these negative patterns. So the healthy empath is a resilient empath and a power person who takes the responsibility for their own health and even for all these several energies that are coming in and knowing that, you know, that’s part of the reason why you’re here to help, transform these energies. So don’t try to send it back to somebody…….., Try to block it and shield it from somebody, right. Just go within your own being and continue to do your own human work. And by the nature of doing that, you’ll be filtering out those energies and you’ll be helping the collective that way.
Dr Manon (37:34):
. So it’s always, you know, I think it’s really not being stuck in a label. You know, that’s part of it is like, and I can see, I have a book called ” what patients don’t say if doctors don’t ask”. And it’s really all about the diagnosis, which often is a curse sometimes like in your case….PTSD.. Now it makes sense. You understand, and what you did about it is the whole point. It’s like, it’s like, Oh, it’s like a like an awakening of possibility, but it,s not an answer. it’s just a step along the……….. And, I can see the way you describe empath. It’s like, ah, okay, well, that makes sense. That’s why I feel so much. And now what does that mean? I don’t know. And what, and how can I use that knowledge to move myself forward rather than go, Oh, here I am. You know, that’s why I’m dysfunctional,,,,,
Mike Marschausen (38:48):
Come back to the victim mentality is they have the biggest curse of the empath. I see that so much.
Dr Manon (38:55):
Yeah. Yeah, totally. So any last words and any way that like that you could, you’ll send us a couple of things that people can find out more about you. And yeah. Any last words you want to leave?
Mike Marschausen (39:13):
Well, just that you know, this was a pleasure and I really enjoyed it and I am working on the healthy empath book, which is, you know, going over a lot of like my healing journey and stuff. Like the first part of it is going to be, the unseen part which is the spiritual, the unseen. And then the second half is going to be like the physical you know, health practices that you can do. And,, also relating that to what I say, like two keys of healing, I see are relaxation and like nourishment. So all the healing work all is spiritual, all of that. And how it,s really, what’s it doing physically relaxing your nervous system, relaxing your body and opening up. Right. I heard a podcast of yours as the concept that the body’s programming is to heal itself.
Mike Marschausen (40:00):
So you need to make space for that by relaxing, by calming the nervous system. And then the physical is, bringing in the nourishment, what does it need now? What are the building blocks to grow up from there? And, yeah, so I’m working on a book, but in the meantime, I’m creating a YouTube series until the book is out to help people. So it just an Instagram, the healthy empath is gonna be the easiest way you can connect with me there and then that’s what you’ll get the notifications for that stuff. Great. Okay. Well, thank you so much. And yeah, I look forward to your book. Thank you. Appreciate it so much. It’s been awesome.
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