Holistic Resilience and Vitality with Dr. Eva Selhub on The Healers Café with Manon Bolliger/h1>

people that have spiritual connection, which can be anything, not religious necessarily, but it can be purpose and or a sense of gratitude or being out nature, and that when we connect with that sense of greatness, purpose or gratitude, it allows us to be more resilient, to have the opportunity mindset, to be more creative and to be able to manage challenges in our life like we never thought we could. And the 10th session is about creating one’s own personal resilience roadmap.

Manon Bolliger  08:30

Wow. Okay, that’s quite

Dr Eva Selhub  08:32

pretty compre it’s very comprehensive

Manon Bolliger  08:33

Very comprehensive. Yeah, I mean it, it sounds like it doesn’t matter where the problem is you’re kind of, you’re running through the gamut, the holistic gamut of everything that one might want to look at, to be in the end, to be more autonomous, more self cared, and therefore more resilient in knowing what to do, being dependent, yeah, so currently, who is your your audience, like, who? Who has actually been the people seeking or wanting this program?

Dr Eva Selhub  09:16

Well, the program literally just launched. Oh, I see you on July 1. Just launched on July 1. So this is a brand new a brand new endeavor. And so I mean generally people seeking this type of work are people who are self motivated and who want to be happier, healthier, joyful, resilient, flourishing and and most of the time, the people that find me and that work with me are people who, many people are who’ve already been success. There’s sort of the gamut. There’s the people who are quite successful and are now saying, now what you know, I thought that this was going to make me happy. And. Not, and they’re kind of in that transition and looking for purpose, meaning, for, you know, something, because, you know, they’ve been there, done that, right? But they’re still feeling empty. And then we have those people who are just in severe stress and overwhelmed and anxious, and, you know, dealing with the adversity that we have in this world, and are feeling like they’re burnt out. So I’ve a huge, huge population of people that come to me because of either they’re burning out or they’re burnt out. So, and again, a lot of these folks are pretty successful because that’s they worked hard, and that’s what, you know, they’re burnt out. And then we’ve got sort of, also the younger folks who are searching, and, you know, looking for something more than, than what there is. And so again, this the thing about this program, and one of my youngsters was saying to me that she hasn’t seen anything like it, and she’s done, did her research, did a whole sort of market analysis and research analysis to see what other things are out there, because it covers everything. You know, it’s not just like, let’s shift your mindset, or let’s just deal with your depression or anxiety. It’s, it’s working on a that sort of that scientific level. The neuro gives you sort of an understanding and a very simple way of understanding neuroscience and stress physiology, but then also teaching you relaxation techniques about stress management and also mindset, psychological stuff, physical health related things, spiritual health related things, leadership related things, work related things. So it covers like the gamut of what one would need in life. So whichever phase you’re in, that’s, you know, those are the people that that, like I said, come for this type of work. So in general, the people that it’s being sent out to are high level seekers, right? People and and also people who are just suffering, who are on the verge of burnout or burned out, yeah, yeah, but it’s really good for anyone, right?

Manon Bolliger  12:10

Yeah, no, I it’s funny. I wrote a program at one point also, and it’s, it is also available, but I’ve been marketing it, and that’s why I was asking this. It’s called the Listen program, and L stands for something in onwards. And it’s, you know, L is for self care. It’s love. And, you know, I don’t want to go into it here. That’s not appropriate, but, but it’s, it’s been interesting. It has the angle of, they have a physical issue. They have something wrong. But now we need to create the entire context, you know, that allows a person to to heal, and it came very much out of my own experience and everything. But I it’s been very challenging to answer, because I’ve had different marketing people help me. What is the what is it at two in the morning that your perfect client wakes up wanting to know? And that is the answer. And I thought I might ask you that, because it’s different, but similar. I mean, you know, I’m not even looking at the inside of it, but the concept of, yeah, a holistic program, because after a while, you realize it has to be holistic, or it just isn’t going to to really work. You have to cover it all. What a two in the morning. What do they look for? You know, that is for which the answer is this holistic thing, you know, like, how do, yeah,

Dr Eva Selhub  13:50

like, I said, I think it’s this. It’s the seekers, it’s the seekers and people who want to put the effort in to to find find their themselves.

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Dr Eva Selhub  15:13

right, to really, actually find themselves and to, I think people who feel like I’ve got to do something, especially, like I said, because this, this reaches people who are feeling really burnt out and really overwhelmed with what’s happening in the world right now, and this gives them the tools to do that. So it’s somebody, you know, people who are just like, I don’t know what to do. You know what to do. I can’t afford, you know, to pay a coach monthly. You know, when I read books, it goes through one ear and out the other. I need, I need, I need more, you know, and so and, you know. And for me, it’s sort of like, again, I, when I put something out there, I just kind of put it out there, and I’m, you know, not so much focused on how I’m going to market it yet, because my, my major focus really, is to get it into companies and and to get, you know, to get it all so that all employees have access to it. That that would be the ideal for me, so that you don’t even have to wake up at two o’clock in the morning and say, I need this because your company is offering it for you as a health benefit. Yeah, that would be, you know, that would be my ideal. Yeah, so, but yeah, for me, it’s just that somebody’s like, I’ve got to do something, and I’m willing to make a small investment into that, you know, I don’t, I can’t afford to make the big investment of working with a coach regularly, but I can afford this investment for myself, and it’s worth it. And, of course, I do offer it, you know, if you do want to have coaching alongside with it, or you want me to, you know, do a group. You know, those are things. Of course, I can do that with people as well. And they can have sort of everything be personalized. But again, I think it’s really right now because people are suffering and confused and overwrought and overwhelmed and burnt out, that they, you know, hopefully will find say, Okay, I’m going to try this because I do, it will help.

Manon Bolliger  17:10

Yeah, and it’s kind of like, instead of coping, it’s like coping on a much more holistic level. You have you can recognize whether you’re triggered, or whether you’re just not listening, or, yeah, you’re just not centered, or whether you’re not grounded.

Dr Eva Selhub  17:27

Absolutely, and again, like, Well, my clients and you know, patients, for the past 30 years, they’ve had, you know, I’ve done many, many, many audio books and many audio CDs, and they love having my voice with them all the time. It’s very calming for them. And so that’s the other piece of that, that what’s nice about having the audio and the video and the audio is all the guided exercises and guided meditations, is that you have access to that for life. So you have this, these, not only, like you said, developing these tools, but you also are not going to remember these tools all the time. I mean, all of us have, like we’re human and and we feel things and things happen. And so you can say, Oh, I just feel so overwhelmed right now, and I feel so overwrought right now, and I’m so upset about this right now, I’m going to turn on this, this audio, and do the, you know, doctor gave us meditation on gratitude or something. So have these, these sort of tools that are available to you for life,

Manon Bolliger  18:31

Right. Yeah. And you also have these books. I was looking at six books, right? You have burnout for Dummies, resilience for Dummies, your health destiny, the Stress Management Handbook, and the love response and your brain on nature, yeah, and I was going to get to that. So those, those five, are your, your actual books. So they’re probably in the these videos, or at least the lessons learned are some Yes,

Dr Eva Selhub  19:00

yes. A lot of, lot of the information from those books are in the and there and the the because I also wrote this with the intention of using it for training. So again, other, My other goal is to train other health care providers, coaches. What have you and say Here I’ll, I’ll teach you how to facilitate this, you know, program. And so it’s, it’s actually built, built as a continuing education program. So it’s all the references are there, and all the books and where, which, which chapter you can read, from which book, not only from me, but also references of other books that you could read, or apps and things like that that you that I would recommend, that you have access to. So it’s really, like I said, it’s a really comprehensive right?

Manon Bolliger  19:48

And then the sixth book, it’s published by The New York Times. It was, yeah, your brain on nature. What I. Not sure I’m understanding it. Can you explain what that?

Dr Eva Selhub  20:03

Yeah, so it was, it was, it’s a, it’s a published by Harper Collins. It’s so Alan Logan, who’s an incredible naturopath, and I got together many, many years ago, and we first actually wrote an article on the microbiome, on which is, you know, back in 2009 or 10 or something like that, and which is now they, and then we, we got poo pooed. By the way, everyone’s just like, What are you writing about it? Now, it’s like, the biggest deal. And we said, you know, we really need to write about the importance of nature. Like, look what’s happening with, you know, all the screen time and so and this. So we started writing it in 2009 2010 It was published 2012 because it takes, like, two years between when you have the concept and when it’s published. So imagine that we’re writing, we wrote this book in 2010 when screen time was having an effect on the brain. So imagine what it’s like now. And we just did a lot of we’ve, you know, researched, the research and wrote about, you know, vitamin G, which is green, green therapy, and and the history of biophilia, which is our connection to nature, and what all this screen time, and the sort of nature deprivation, if you will, but how that was affecting us cognitively and psychologically, with an increase of depression, anxiety, ADHD and so on and so forth, with the more screen time and the the further one is away from nature, the increased mortality. And also the reverse of those studies of how, when you you know, give even photos of nature versus photos of a concrete jungle, what lights up in the brain and and how, you know, things change for the better when you are exposed to nature. So it was all that research and, and it’s actually, you know, a book that’s still doing well out of all the books, because it’s just so important,

Manon Bolliger  21:52

yeah, and so important, like, I mean, it always was, but, but now I think more people are starting to really get it, you know, as we’re going down what seems like a tunnel and more, AI, and, oh my goodness, yeah,

Dr Eva Selhub  22:09

yeah, look. I mean everything. For me, it’s sort of about, you know, not saying something is good or bad, but saying, how do we find balance in the midst of it all, and how do we use it to our advantage, you know, AI, if we learn how to use it to our advantage, it can be a wonderful thing, as long as we also take, you know, unplugging breaks and we unplug from technology and just go and, you know, lie down in the grass or take walks in the woods or on the beach and things like that, and just unplug for a while. And so there’s ways to actually have balance between the two, as opposed to the addiction that happens when our brain is connected to the screen. So that’s why you know that my teaching are about balance. You know, how do we, how can we have it all? Not it’s we were talking earlier, and I was like, I try to be Switzerland about things. I don’t like people feeling badly about, you know, I don’t shoot on people. And, you know, there’s nothing that anybody should be doing. We’re all different, but it’s, you know, the more you start finding joy, true joy and true vitality, the more you’re going to be able to know what’s supporting that vitality and what’s causing it to be depleted. And then, then you make a choice,

Manon Bolliger  23:18

yeah. And I think the choice having the idea that you are conscious enough to choose, that’s right, is a big step there, right? It’s like we have tools. Ai, is a tool. As long as you’re using the tool, and the tool is not using you, we’re good to go, because then you have the parameters, you know, why you’re using it, you know. And and then it’s, it’s, it can be fitted in its box, and then you can do other things, you know. But if it, if you’re not aware of the relationship, I think that’s where a lot of the problems come, you know. So

Dr Eva Selhub  23:57

I think what it comes down to, again, for me, is to being aware of your vitality. Mm, if I don’t know what vitality is, then I’m not going to know when my vitality is being sucked dry until I’m already burnt out, right? So I can, if I’m aware of how I feel, yeah, I start learning to feel when it what it feels like, to feel like I have energy, then I’m going to be very much aware when that energy is not there. And so when we spend more time on screen, it literally is like sucking energy from us. And so we then can find ways to rebuild that life force, to rebuild that vitality through other mechanisms. But how do we know that that life force being sucked from us? If we are not even aware of what that feels like, right? It’s like saying, Well, you know, how do you like that sushi? And you’re like, Well, I never had sushi. How would I know if I like it? You’ve never touched it, you’ve never tasted it. So for me, the first that’s why the first session for me is always helping people understand what something feels like. What am I feeling like right now? And. Aging the census, and that’s really the foundation of the program, of all the coaching, is really getting in touch with you, with your senses, and how it feels to be you,

Manon Bolliger  25:10

right. And I mean, you raise an interesting question, though, vitality compared to energy, what? What is your How do you define the difference?

Dr Eva Selhub  25:19

Well, I think the definition of that difference is, I think for all the listeners and yourself, is to think about how that feels when you say to yourself, I have energy and I have vitality. They’re they’ve completely different feelings, right? Energy could be anything energy is. Could be matter. I mean, this is energy. It’s just contracted, right? Vitality is like life force. It’s like, it’s an uplifting energy, right? Because energy could be up, down, in, out, contracted, expansive, whereas vitality is, is the expression of energy which is vital, alive, yeah, so if we got the vitality, which is the aliveness of energy. So I think that, to me, is the difference,

Manon Bolliger  26:04

okay, yeah, because in homeopathy, they use vitality, as, you know, the vital force, what animates you. And you know, we use energy more like, how’s your physical energy? How’s your mental or emotional energy? Because some people can have zero physical energy, but be all there mentally. But vitality is yet something different, right? That’s that animate. It’s that

Dr Eva Selhub  26:30

it’s a life force. It’s a life literally, like, that’s like, if you think about to me, it’s like your electric socket, right? You know, because you could have mental vitality. Yeah, right, but energy is is energy. Everything is energy, okay, energy. But energy is either constricted or it’s expansive, it’s moving fluidly, or it’s bumpy. But everything is energy. But the question is, can I even feel that energy? And is that energy low, or is it high? And do I have that life force? You know people that have chronic fatigue or are sick or burnt out, it’s a profound fatigue, right? No, it’s not just I’m tired, it’s profound. It’s like every cell of your body is screaming. I can’t move anymore. I can’t. I just, I can’t. I don’t have it in me. So it’s very different from being tired, but both of them are about energy. Yes, right? So profound fatigue or vitality are sort of the extremes right of energy.

Manon Bolliger  27:31

Yep, on the same page there. Okay, you know what? Now our time is truly up, but we have, I think, I believe, recovered. You know what what you offer and what you’re passionate about. And then how do people get hold of you?

Dr Eva Selhub  27:48

You can find me on my website. That’s Drselhub.com, D R S E L H U b.com, on pretty much all the social media channels. So you can find me there and always posting something on the channels, and you can find the program on learnworlds.com, that’s L, E, A, R, N, W, O, R, L, D, s.com, and or you could just Google Eva, Sellhub, resilience, and that should come up. And,

Manon Bolliger  28:18

yeah, great. Well, thank you very much for coming again and sharing what you do. Thank you so Dr Selhub goal is to make people more resilient, and I wanted to comment on sort of the pillars that she talks about, that one really need to master in order to feel and to actually experience resiliency and and tie that into how we take cases and how we listen to patients as well or clients, is when we’re asking, You know, how their energy is, it may be very important to distinguish their physical energy compared to their mental or emotional energy, because a person could be feeling, you know, fantastic on one level, because they’re, you know, they’re excited about their whatever they’re doing, their project, their book, their reading, whatever it might be. But, you know, go for a walk in the park and it’s like, oh my gosh. I don’t know if my body can move. So we we are used to noting our energies differently, right? But then there’s the idea of vitality, and we discussed that at the very end of this podcast. But vitality is something more than energy, which which exists is really what animates or animates us. Much. Hanuman talked about it in his homeopathic medicine book on healing. So when we’re looking from a healing perspective, we’re also wanting to see the vitality of people, and this is very common, that the vitality can be improved, though physical symptom improvement can lag behind, right so one can feel that feeling of feeling much better, physically, mentally, emotionally, without an absolute major change in the physical symptoms, so it may take longer for the body to repair some of the long standing physical symptoms. So I just a reminder case taking or, you know, interviews with patient, no matter what your field is, to really get clear about what you’re asking and what you’re comparing.

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