How to See the Connection Between Stress & Immunity with Lisa Sack on The Healers Café with Manon Bolliger

build immunity. I don’t think I have a good answer for you. I feel like what I see more than anything is just the degree to which anxiety levels in general are amped up. And as you well know, the minute anxiety and stress has ramped up that is going to compromise immunity. So, I always feel like if we could get more people to deal with that, to actually feel when they’ve got that coursing of hormones through their bodies that are designed to make them run away or fight. That if they could manage that, it would change an awful lot of what’s happening in their systems. I mean, I’ll give you, you know, so from an Ayurvedic perspective is really interesting is that nutrition of our systems and of our tissues is sort of linear. We first nourish our plasma, and then our blood and then our muscle tissue, and then our fat and then our bone tissue, and then our nerve, and then our reproductive tissue. So, if there’s a problem early on the line, your tissues, reproductive tissues, which help with both, of course, reproduction, but also with immunity, they don’t get nourished, which matches the whole stress response, right, that the diet rest and digest shuts down when we are, you know, funneling all that energy to the big muscles and to our heart and to our respiration. So, I think I see it more in those terms, that getting people to really have the tools that they need to calm and soothe themselves will go a long way towards boosting their immunity. Does that make sense?

Manon Bolliger 03:37

Yeah. Yeah, no, no, it makes sense. Um, again, I agree with you. What I didn’t…I didn’t get that part. But you’re absolutely right. It is the reproductive system that’s last, which when the Pfizer research came out, and you know, it was 28 out of 29 of the women who were pregnant during this trial, lost their babies. That’s huge. Right. And that’s…I don’t know if they were in fear or not. I think it’s I think they were feeling like they’re part of something good. But the body still, you know, reacted.

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Manon Bolliger 05:53

By that first, you know, we know the numbers are, are massive of miscarriages and way more than they ever were right?

Lisa Sack 06:04

With so much that I, you know, we don’t know.

Manon Bolliger 06:07

Yeah.

Lisa Sack 06:08

And I had I used to have an anatomy teacher, I’m sure this wasn’t original to her, because I’ve heard other people say it, but you know, where, you know, whatever we think we know now in 25 years, 50% of just gonna be wrong?

Manon Bolliger 06:24

Well, you know, that’s what I feel like, I’m comfortable with I don’t know. You know, and a lot of conclusions are made by what people perceive as being known. You know, I don’t mean, I don’t mean, the corruption that uses the science. I mean, really, we don’t know.

Lisa Sack 06:45

We don’t know, we don’t know. And it’s why in some ways, I think the ancient practices are so attractive, because they’ve been around for 5000 years, and there’s a huge body and I have respect for science, I have respect for, you know, the efforts to do clinical trials to prove things but, you know, just because you can’t measure something doesn’t mean it isn’t there and isn’t true. You know, that’s a lot of the key…in India, they’re doing a lot of studies to really, you know, along the western paradigm of randomized controlled trials to look at ayurvedic therapies and interventions. And they’re trying to really to do that to support the use of the traditional practices. But I just, I mean, anecdotally, I see that the people who take them on and begin to do them, they change, and they are healthier, and happier and more contented.

Manon Bolliger 07:57

Yeah, there’s lots of ways of doing studies, you know, that’s the thing, right? Because there’s some that take into account all of these aspects as well, you know

Lisa Sack 08:07

Right.

Manon Bolliger 08:08

I don’t I don’t particularly have a problem with science. But I understand that if you don’t have the ways to measure a thing then what do you do with that, you know, or that misunderstanding, you know, like these, those studies and homeopathy where they say, Well, I gave the same remedy for diarrhea to everyone. And it didn’t work. Well. That’s not how homeopathy works. You know?

Lisa Sack 08:31

I know. I know. I know. It’s also it’s interesting, because it’s a lot of the problem with the research that’s going into yoga now is the same way is that what you see is being offered as yoga as the therapy is people going to a class. But that’s not how you would work with someone who had a particular condition. You wouldn’t send them to a class taught by someone who only had a 200-hour training you send them to a therapist who would design a practice for them. Or you might create a group therapeutic class where everybody has the same condition. And then you could look at it that way. But it’s not how they’re…so it’s hard. It’s like, well, what does it mean? What are you talking about when you say you use yoga? What were you doing?

Manon Bolliger 09:21

Exactly. Thank you, Lisa.

Lisa Sack 09:25

You’re welcome and on. It was a pleasure to speak with you.

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