Healing, Business & Authentic Connections with Nina Maglic & Manon on The Healers Café

go to the market, you see each other, you you know, people go by. They might ask you what it is you do. They may want to ask questions. So I can see that. But if they’re online, or are they not online? Like, how do, how do you grow a business like that.

Nina Maglic  03:42

It really depends. Some healers do not want to have an online business, which is completely okay. My husband and I build an advertising agency. We started from scratch in 2009 and what we did, we did like a direct marketing, sending like mails to directly to the companies, and this is what we do with healers as well. If they are local healers want to target local audience, they can always like, send direct mails and like also work with post office to send mails. That’s one of the fastest way that they can grow locally. If they want to go online, it really depends what kind of strategy they want to use. I know that everybody talks about social media, that everybody loves social media, but I’m all about networking on social, like online, and start building relationships with people and then sell things. And I always teach people before you even ask anything, provide as much value as possible, so people understand what you do and how you can help them, because you cannot just come and say, Hey, energy healing is amazing. You need this, and everybody can benefit from that. That’s awesome, but not everybody’s ready to do healing immediately. People need time, and people especially with healing, we work with people who have a trauma, and we. Really challenging lives, they will not open so easily to if they don’t know you, right, right? You need to really build trust first. And it really depends what clients want. And I always recommend building relationship podcasting, having your own podcast. That’s the, really, the best way to really get to know audience. And, yeah, yeah, people also know what you do and how we can help them.

Manon Bolliger  05:28

You mean, like, if you have a podcast, people get to hear what you think and etc. So they, they have a way of getting to know you, yeah.

Nina Maglic  05:37

But it’s also not only podcasting, guesting or somebody else’s podcast, is really building relationship with people. It’s all about that. I always say like, you never know who’s going to become your client. Just you know, open your heart, open like your arms. Welcome people in your life and start communicating with each other. And I also teach people how to build strategic partnerships with each other so they can grow their businesses much faster by referring each other clients.

Manon Bolliger  06:03

Yeah, yeah. I think that’s definitely underestimated. I think it works. I agree it’s a that’s a very powerful and it makes a lot of sense, you know, like when I when I started or not started, but at one point in my practice, because where I started, I was totally isolated. There was nobody there. So it was a destination place. People found out through word of mouth kind of thing. But later, when I moved, there was actually other other businesses, you know. And so I went to meet the physiotherapist. I went, you know, meet all the people on the street, the chiropractors, and, you know, I explained what I did which was different. I found out how they practice and what they you know, so that if, if, because you can’t help everybody all the time. So, you know, sometimes it’s like, okay, well, if this didn’t work, or maybe this is better for this moment of your therapeutic journey, it’s good to have, you know, referrals. So I think that’s super important, and that’s very tangible, right? It’s something you it’s easy to do. It makes total sense. So what do you say to the practitioners that don’t like social media. Don’t like to go to, you know, meetings and spend their 30 seconds saying who they are and what they do and who they serve, like that, what they call match working. And they just like, oh, they’ll find me. They’ll find me.

Nina Maglic  07:39

I would say nobody can hire a ghost if they don’t know you exist, nobody can hire you. So you need to put yourself out there, at least to tell people what you do. I know it can be very scary to put yourself on the internet and start talking to people, but you know, I always find it very interesting. People are not scared to go to shopping mall and spend the whole day there and meet 1000s of people, but they are so afraid to go online, post something on social media and 1015, people are going to see that. I think very often, we stand ourselves in a way. Oh, my God. What if the whole world sees me? But if, what? If somebody sees you that really needs you, and you can change someone’s life. So I think, like the biggest problem is that people think too much about themselves, not about people they want to serve. If, because, if you focus on a person you’re serving and what they really need, your your fear becomes irrelevant, right?

Manon Bolliger  08:44

Yeah, no, no, I agree with you there. But what do you find? What platforms do you find useful, or is it age appropriate? Is it, what do you what do you recommend, typically, to people

Nina Maglic  09:00

I love YouTube. I love you too. And the reason why I love YouTube, you don’t have to have a lot of views, you don’t have to have a lot of subscribers, you just need to start creating content, and people in your circle can understand what you’re doing, how you can help them. So you really need to share your message. If nobody knows about you, nobody can hire you, and very often, you already have so many potential customers in your circles that but they don’t even know that you’re doing healing right now. They have no clue. But when you start sharing your story, why you started the journey, what pain you experienced? How did you overcome that pain? What specific tools did you use and what worked for you, what didn’t work for you, what works very well for your clients, for what type of clients work, which tool and how you can help them. This is where people become very curious, and all of a sudden, instead of you going to them and reaching out to clients, they start reaching out to you, say, Hey, can you explain what you meant on your video last. Week, I’m very curious. So people start asking you, because all of a sudden you start talking about the problems they have, and all of a sudden they realize, oh my god, I can reach out to you to help me, because I already know you. You are in my circle. I already know like and trust you. So let’s go one step further. And I always say to people, my youtube channel was very small. I had 46 subscribers at that time. And what happened? Somebody who found me on youtube bought something from me, and we didn’t even talk, but they knew me really well, because they watched my videos. And all of a sudden people started becoming into my world. My YouTube channel is still very small. I only have 2000 subscribers. It’s not really big, but people are coming into my world. People are seeing my videos. They’re coming into my courses memberships, and they start asking me how we can work together, collaborate together. You know, you don’t have to have bigger a big audience like small audience, when then they’re built, right? And you focus on really serving people and serving your ideal client, they will find you. And the best thing is they can watch all the content. 24/7, your content doesn’t get sick, doesn’t take vacation, it’s always there, working for you,

Manon Bolliger  11:18

yeah, yeah. So YouTube, and that means not advertising in YouTube, just having a channel.

Nina Maglic  11:25

I started really organically on YouTube, yeah, and what I also love to do, I have my LinkedIn newsletter as well, and and I do it because I love writing, and I love sharing. I love highlighting people who do amazing things in their life, and this is where some, some people really get, I will say wrong, because they have really scarcity mindset to share the audience with other people. And I think that’s not really true, because I work with five, six healers all the time. You know, even healers need healing. Sure, more than enough for everybody. 8 billion people in this world, there’s more than enough for everybody, and we cannot really help everybody. Exactly.

Manon Bolliger  12:11

No, I do think there is a scarcity mentality around you know, I know when it’s funny, because I teach Bowen therapy, and I don’t know if you’re familiar with that method, but I was teaching it in a place where there were a lot of chiropractors and and it was funny, because they’re saying, Well, you know, how are you going to succeed, you know? And I said, well, by by word of mouth, and because it works, you know? And they were saying, but there’s no because they have a lot of marketing training, right? So, you know, they book you in for 30 visits. They have all these things, right? Like, I’m I’m not exaggerating, I’m generalizing, okay? Because, of course, there are practitioners who don’t do it the way they’re taught, or whatever, what’s recommended by the majority of schools. But it’s funny, they had such a an idea, and they said, well, but then if they get fully better than, how do you, how do you make money? I said, well, by getting more people, because they refer when they get results, you know. And it was just like to see the mindset, you know that, yeah, how it interferes, you know, with your like, for me, it didn’t interfere, because I was like, okay, I can do this, you know, and I can help people and whatever, but I could see that they, they were hesitating on learning the methodology because they didn’t know how to adjust the marketing. What do you tell people when you get better?

Nina Maglic  13:43

I would just say, like, try it. You know exactly. You know what, like, you know, even if you don’t like it, okay, you have one more experience like in your life, and that’s perfectly fine, but I always say, try it, because it’s hard for you to grow business if you’re not willing to learn and try

Manon Bolliger  14:04

no for sure, and and also, if you’re stuck on certain marketing strategies. And that’s the thing, is, you have to be flexible, right? Like, you know, sometimes it just, yeah, it’s not going to be the same way, you know. So, because I’ve had several talks, I mean, I did, I did train, you know, several chiropractors, you know, who were like, Oh, my goodness, this is great. I use it 95% of the time and all that. But our biggest discussion was not the methodology, it was the marketing, because it had to completely shift how they tell people to see them, right? It was just a completely other way of looking at it, you know?

Nina Maglic  14:44

So it depends what you do. I teach people different healing tools, but I always say to my clients, you really do not have to explain every single step you’re doing with your clients, because people just want a results. What tools you use? To help them. It’s really not important just get them results if they want to ask you, because most people, they will if they even if they ask you, that you can start explaining. Most people will not understand all the things that we’re doing in the background. But if they ask, you can always explain. But I always say to people like, this is what we are going to do. I love put to put people in meditation, then they are a little bit busy with their mind. They’re following the meditation so I can do my healing service, because I noticed when, if you start explaining every single step to your client and how you are really using every single tool and why it matters, people get lost. Really good loss they get they get immediately in their heads. But okay, let’s relax. Everything’s going to be fine. I will walk you through this process. I explained the process, but I don’t explain every single tool I use,

Manon Bolliger  15:50

no, no, and that makes sense. It’s, it’s, it’s not needed, it’s in. It interferes, actually, with just receiving, right? Yeah, it occupies the mind, which we’re trying to relax. So What? What? What got you kind of passionate in this area and and are you yourself a healer or a practitioner of

Nina Maglic  16:16

sorts? Yes, actually, I never thought I’m going to be healer, because I was doing marketing my whole life. I’ve have been doing marketing, and when my husband and I set up an advertising agency 2009 we were working with all these big names and companies, and all of a sudden I became very sick, and I was trying to find solution to my pain. I spent 18 months going to the doctors, asking them and begging them to help me. We did all blood tests, all body scans, everything, but we couldn’t find the reason why I have a pain, and I had really bad cramps. Every time when I had cramp, I was paralyzed from pain for one hour, and I had five to eight cramps per day, and nobody knew why. Nothing showed why I had a pain. And on one specific day, I was very, very desperate, and I didn’t know what to do. I had pain. I wanted to help myself. I scheduled a call with an energy healer in LA what

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Nina Maglic  18:30

sessions that became pain free. My whole life changed. So, okay, I want to know what you know. I never, ever want to beg for help. Can you teach me? And this is how my journey started. I really never thought my whole life that I’m going to be a healer. I started really using these tools to help myself. And all of a sudden, people so much transformation. They start reaching out to me. They referred me friends and family members, and it was just like that. I was booked weeks in advance, and I didn’t like I really didn’t realize this is a business. I was just like, let me help people. Let me help people. But then when I remember the day when my husband asked me when I have a time to do to go on vacation with him, it’s like, for one day, like, go some like, over weekend. Like, I said, like, in five weeks, what do you mean? In five weeks we can go this weekend? I said, No, no, no, I have so many appointments I cannot do this. Like, oh. Then I realized, okay, this is not really hobby anymore. And I started just learning to to help myself. And I started helping my class, my fellow colleagues and friends. I was like, Hey, this is what is working in my healing business. Try it. And they start trying, and they start applying, they start getting results. And I was doing this three years for for free. I just wanted to help them. So, like, we all benefit. Help other people. Like, let’s do it. And after three years, I said to my friends, and if you know somebody who might be interested in business and marketing, I’m happy to help them. Am, and this starts referring me friends and family members again, because I already got them.

Nina Maglic  20:04

Results, right, right?

Nina Maglic  20:08

Really, chain reaction. Everything really changed overnight.

Manon Bolliger  20:13

Wow, and that. So that’s really unusual, because you got, well, not from your message. It’s completely consistent. It’s relationships first, but it’s interesting that you’re getting referral for marketing when what you connected with them was healing. I mean, it’s that’s quite incredible. But if that’s the truth of relationships, right, you know, yeah,

Nina Maglic  20:37

it is like we were working together, learning together. We started referring each other clients. This is how we start, okay, I have a client for you. I think she would be an amazing fit for for you. And they start referring me clients. This is how we started, like, there’s more than enough for everybody. And, man, I was building my business. Said, Look, this is what I’m doing. This is what this what brings me results. I even did a course, business course for healers for free to teach them how to do business. I was like, I said, like, look, there are so many of you. I cannot, like, I don’t have time teach you all one on one. Let’s, let’s create course. I invited everybody for free. I said, this is the course. Let me help you get results. They got results, and then it’s really, like everybody and like, it was really amazing, wow.

Manon Bolliger  21:27

I mean, that really is the, I would say, the new world. But it is. It really is of that nature, of, you know, just trust in what you do, be authentic, come from the heart, help. And, you know, the universe opens. It really is like that. Well, quite, quite the story. I’m now curious, what was the healing modality of energy that you used, or that you learned?

Nina Maglic  21:55

I learned a lot of them. First, of course, we started getting to know our body is better, really being attuned in our intuition stuff, really paying attention where we have a pain. I don’t have a specific mentality, because the person that taught me she she taught me how to use my intuition to get to know my body better, to understand what’s happening in my body. And after that, I start learning different like sacred geometries, like channeling energies. I learned from, like I was so obsessed with that I learned from three different like healers. I was like, Okay, can you teach me more? Can you teach me more? Because once you get into this world,

Manon Bolliger  22:39

when you have your own pain, and it goes away in two sessions. I mean, that’s that’s huge,

Nina Maglic  22:45

and it’s basically all these matters, what they are teaching almost always the same, like, where do you have a pain? Let’s go back, try to figure out the event that is connected to the pain, and just go there. Allow yourself to release emotions, like they use different tools, but basically they’re all doing the same,

Manon Bolliger  23:07

yeah, so the stuckness of energy in the so that’s the root kind of of, so you don’t care what it’s called, or often they don’t have a name for it in them, you know, so called conventional medical system, right? Sometimes they have a diagnosis, but otherwise it’s like, you know, everything looks good. You’re healthy. So in a sense, it’s all in your mind. In a sense, it’s really all in your in your field, in your auric field, and you’re in your unresolved being, right, you know, but, yeah, so, so focusing in on the the the event or the emotions that haven’t So it’s not necessarily unconscious. It’s unanalysed, unseen or no attention to bypassed.

Nina Maglic  24:06

Basically, that’s true, like I just I know, in my case, I think the biggest problem we have, why we cannot really heal is because we hold on to so much on things that happened in the past, and we don’t want to let it go. It doesn’t matter what it is. It’s just like, I remember one during one of these sessions, one of my healers said to me, you need to let it go. And I was like, Oh, I cannot let it go. If I let it go, I will not be me. It was like, Oh, my God, I can go back to times that let go of everything what you can because you know, the more you let go, the more you can become, yeah, that’s beautiful part of the healing journey. You can choose who you want to be, right?

Manon Bolliger  24:58

So. So how many years ago was that that you let go of this pain that you had for several months? It sounds like six years now. Six years. Yeah, so if you were to talk to your old self, who didn’t, who didn’t know, or was just starting to know, what’s the main kind of lesson or main realization, because, you know, I mean, I deal with pain. A lot of people have pain. I have, you know, my little magic tools that I count on, that I see work, but it’s not necessarily for everyone and everyone. You know, touch is not always the way people like it. You know that sometimes they’d rather talk. Sometimes they’d rather have something more distant, actually, you know? So it’s interesting. We don’t all heal the same way, but so when you go back and you go, and this is so obviously on Zoom or something, right, long distance.

Nina Maglic  25:57

Actually, she called me on the phone, on the phone. Oh, okay, okay,

Manon Bolliger  26:01

so still you’re, you’re still, you know, a whole continent away, right? So what? What was it that, that you realized from like now, looking at

Nina Maglic  26:15

it, we are more connected than we think. That’s the number one, because the moment she called me, she was in LA, I was in Vienna, and she called me and she said she knew exactly what I was thinking. Oh, how does she know that? You know, the moment I start thinking about something, she knew that it’s like, how does she know that she’s another continent? Like, it’s not possible. But she was so accurate. I was like, Oh my God, you know so much. That’s the number one. We are all connected. We don’t have to do it in a person like you can be anywhere in the world we are. We can really tune into energy, no matter where you are and

Nina Maglic  26:59

and what I would say to my younger self, don’t take life too serious,

Nina Maglic  27:06

and that’s the biggest problem. We take life too serious. We want to follow certain rules. We want to make it perfect. We want to achieve certain things. So sometimes we just need to let go of all expectations we have in our life, and the moment when you let go of the expectations who you need to become image of others that they have about you, and all the pressure that we have like what we need to do and how we should live our life, this is the moment when it Feels like rebirth. I would just call it like that is really liberation, right?

Manon Bolliger  27:46

And you felt that the healing itself was letting go of these constraints, basically these constructions that we create, yes, yeah, yeah, interesting, yeah. I It’s I would, because I’ve interviewed many people who say it’s the unconscious, and I know it. I mean the unconscious is there to keep safe and whatever, repeat routines and habits and all of that. But I think there is role for consciousness to come in, in the healing process and and that you can liberate. That’s why people have spontaneous healing. I mean, it’s, of course, it’s possible, because it just takes a moment to to collapse. You know, in a sense, the timeline or whatever you want to whatever your belief systems are, right? But, you know, that’s very interesting, and you

Nina Maglic  28:46

I always say, Sorry for interruption. I always say, the moment you choose heal, this is the moment you really heal. Healing. I was so done. I said, like I cannot live one more day with this pain. I will do no matter what help me. And I said, like, I’m so ready, I’m so ready. I’m so done. I will do whatever you say I need to do. I will let go of anything. I just want to be me, and I don’t want to have pain. And I think the moment I chose to be free from my pain, that’s the moment that my healing be gone. Okay?

Manon Bolliger  29:26

That’s interesting, because, I mean, there’s got to be levels of choice, right? Because people come to you as a therapist or whatever, because they choose, on some level that they don’t want this pain so, and that doesn’t necessarily mean it goes away, right? I think you’re talking about a deeper choice. But and what I’m picking up, it’s, it’s almost, it’s not giving up. Up, but it’s surrender. Is that? Does that resonate?

Nina Maglic  30:04

Yes, actually, that’s the right word, surrender. I was so like I chose to heal, but I surrender like I would do no matter what, just help me. And that’s the moment. That’s the right word. And you know, very often I will say that, like, it must be benefit for us subconsciously, of course, that to stay in that pain and that really, we need to sometimes, really explore, what is the benefit? Right, right? And that’s the biggest thing that people like, we don’t know, like we were never taught about that, that there is a benefit to stay in pain, but subconsciously there is. And you really need to discover what you like, what the benefit is. And the moment when you see that, when you there is a moment when you have a ha moment, it’s like, Okay, I’m done.

Manon Bolliger  30:58

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it would be concurrent with most of my experience. You know, in life, there’s some people i i cannot see what the benefit is in their subconscious, just like I don’t get it, you know. But I mean, I’ve had, I’ve had in some of the books I’ve written, too, I have case studies of evident benefits that they will not let go of, and they will keep the suffering because it actually serves, you know, pathologically, But this created benefit that’s not really a benefit. It looks like it superficially, right? So. So do you think everybody can heal?

Nina Maglic  31:52

I think 98% of people can heal. 2% are just some diseases that really cannot be cured yet, but in that moment, I have to say, like in the moment when I was going through 18 months of discovering what’s happening with me, I refused to believe there is no solution to a pain that was something like I said like that, let me keep finding maybe you don’t Know what. Maybe they don’t know what the solution is, but it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, right? Searching, let me keep I will do no matter what.

Manon Bolliger  32:29

Yeah, yeah, no, I think you have to have that, that absolute willpower to to continue. So it’s really not giving up, you know, because then you’re into victimhood. You You have to stay the active creator of your life, of your destiny, you know, yeah, even if you don’t feel like you have control over it, it’s like you’ve got to at least be an actor in it. Once you give up, then, yeah, I always

Nina Maglic  33:03

say, like, there must be solution. It’s impossible that somebody didn’t find the solution. You just need to find solution that works for you.

Manon Bolliger  33:12

Yeah, yeah, very interesting. Well, I think we could easily do a follow up discussion next time earlier, so it’s not so late for you. But anyway, thank you very much for spending time sharing your knowledge and your skills.

Nina Maglic  33:30

Thank you so much for having me on a on your podcast. Thank you so much. It’s very interesting. I have this, this beautiful community. They help each other. I just come and they really need me, because this is what I do. I do business and healing combined, right? You know, you cannot help healers if they have so much fear being visible. Oh, my God. What what people will say about me. Let me help you with fear. Let me help you with judgment. Sometimes I just need to stop business and do healing. Yeah, it’s true I do, but I don’t do as much as I used to do. I used to do a lot,

Manon Bolliger  34:13

a lot, yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it,

Nina Maglic  34:19

but I want to ask you, if you want to be on my podcast. I would love to sure my podcast is called Healing millions.

Manon Bolliger  34:27

Yeah. Okay, you sure? Yeah, I’ve not, you know, I did this because I wanted to meet people that were, you know, interesting, and this is my social hour. It’s really, you know, because I’m not a social person. I don’t like going to blah, blah, blah, and I’m very family oriented. And I like, you know, I mean, now my kids are all grown up, but, but I started this just because I wanted to hear fascinating. Stories and meet people, you know, so that’s kind of it. And, you know, I have a little commercial in between saying what I do, that’s it, but it’s not monetized. It’s just my passion so amazing.

Nina Maglic  35:13

Let’s talk about that. I think this is what I do. I have this podcast called Healing minutes, where I really feature people. It’s still like I started this, especially podcast, 19 weeks ago. Wow. Okay, I have amazing people in my community, and nobody knows about them. Okay, let me help you. Get this at least, and get let me help you with one episode so you can share with your friends and family members, what clients, what you do and how we can help them. So I really make it tailored, me specific to you and what you do and highlight your expertise. And I also write LinkedIn newsletter, which I love, and then I highlight your story there and post on YouTube and Spotify and as as you like, I just want to meet new people. And I always say, like, you know, this is something that I really love. I love building connections all around the world. And I always say to people like, not everybody’s going to be your client, and that’s fine, but you will get new friends. Amazing. I love that, you know. And maybe they will refer somebody else. Maybe they will not who cares? You have a new friends?

Manon Bolliger  36:22

Yeah, yeah. I think that’s where I’m at, you know, just Yeah, and I’ve met some extraordinary people, which is fantastic, right?

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