From MS Diagnosis to Energetic Freedom with Dayna Wylder & Manon on The Healers Café

you know, Chase, Chase, the ladder of all these dreams I had, which, honestly, I’m not even sure any of those were my dreams. Anyway, they were just things roles I felt like I had to play. You know, avatars were just kind of taking on in life, and even that’s part of the disconnection, I think, for me too, is just following a path the whole time that really wasn’t about me ever, right? It was always in service of somebody else, and it was always to give to somebody else and what somebody else wanted. It wasn’t until this major relapse that I’ve had five years ago that I really aligned to purpose, you know. And I actually think that the disease did that for me, yeah, it really gave me a direction that I never would have taken before. And, you know, sometimes your pain can become your cure, yeah.

Manon Bolliger  07:36

So you were before in the corporate world, right? Yeah.

Dayna Wylder  07:40

I mean, I had taken a kind of a weird path. I originally was doing scenic set design, and I owned a business doing art when I was 18, and I was really happy doing that. I love doing that. But I watched my father, who has an gliosing spondylitis, which is another autoimmune disease, but affecting the spine and arthritis, and he suffered silently, and he never had the job with all the benefits and all the things, and he still had to get up and go to work every day. And watching him suffer, I started to think to myself, Wow, I really should go get a job with benefits and with disability and with all of the security nets, because I’m watching him suffer. But again, the way life has a way of teaching you lessons. I think, going off my path of following my passion and going into a job where I was unhappy, not respected, not really valued, there actually created the disharmony of my body that ended up making me need the benefits because I got sick. And I wonder, looking back, if I had have stuck with my my my heart centered decision, right? And not out of fear, not making a decision out of fear, but one out of just my passion and where I was just being guided, maybe some of that disease might not have manifested. I mean, there’s no way to go back and know, but I have a suspicion that maybe that played part anyway.

Manon Bolliger  09:00

Yeah, well, you can’t be twice, having two different moments. There may be two different timelines, but, but it’s very hard to kind of know, you know if that’s true or not true. But, I mean, in the end, is, if you feel that it could be, it usually is the truth, right? Because that’s you connecting to your inner knowing of your own journey, right?

Dayna Wylder  09:25

Well, once I left that job, which was so stifling and threatening and made me so uncomfortable, like it wasn’t even just the that I really didn’t feel my like myself in a cubicle, maybe, and like living in this kind of a corporate job, but I also was really serving there, like the 1% right? It’s doing risk consulting on high end insurance. So I’m you’re working on ensuring art pieces on a yacht, right? And then I’m stepping outside in downtown Toronto over sewer grates of people sleeping on the street, and you just have this kind of. A disconnect between, I think, my morals and, you know, where I wanted to be in life, and what I was actually putting my energy into every day. Wow.

Manon Bolliger  10:10

So what was the, what was the moment that made you say, Okay, enough of that.

Dayna Wylder  10:19

Well, I mean, I think during covid, it really changed my relationship with that job. And I mean, I already didn’t really feel like I fit in very well in the corporate environment, and I didn’t feel like I was ever really going to get promoted and pushed up into anything higher there. But during covid, times when they started to really pressure me, and they started to, you know, threaten if I didn’t do testing, and I didn’t tell them a test to whether I was vaccinated or not, or if I didn’t comply to things that I was going to be fired. I really started to struggle and and I put together a lot of legal documentation to send, because I, because I work in insurance, we have an entire floor of our building dedicated to legal teams, right? Well, once I put together this very well thought out, it took me months to put together all of the bylaws and the laws and the then even their own code of conduct that I could find to put together for them. And I sent it through to them, and I had said that I don’t want to talk about it on the phone, because I thought they would trick me into saying something I’m like, I want it all to be done via email, and they kept calling me and trying to make me do it, like, with multiple people on the phone, and I kept having to step back and really, like, I’m not that good with setting boundaries before this, and having, like, my own sovereignty to say, like, no to people. So this really was, like, a test for me in a lot of ways, to just be like, I’m, you know, I’m not really comfortable. I’m not going to do this. And in the end, they responded back to all that legal documentation with only one simple email saying, Okay, we’ll take you off the list and we won’t contact you again. And it was a little victory for me, because I was like, Well, I guess all the things I thought were right, because once they had their legal team review it, they left me alone. But by then, I really was already had woken up one morning and I couldn’t walk, and so now I’d already worked for a week or two where I was, like, using my arms to put my legs under my desk and still type, because I was going to push through right. I still needed my job, especially because I was so scared my partner was going to lose his job too. I felt the pressure. I still had to work through this. Symptoms that were, yeah, I continued to work, even though I really disliked them, they were disliking me. I had all this threat of I’m going to lose my house now. How am I going to take care of my kids? I’m homeschooling now as well, because I’ve removed my kids from the school system, so more pressure. So I’m working, I’m homeschooling. I’m being threatened, and I’m pushing through, and then two weeks later, it now it’s my trunk, and I can’t hold myself up. I’m tipping and so I’m still trying to struggle through. And then eventually my hands went from my elbows down numb, and I had optic neuritis in my good eye, so now both eyes couldn’t see. And at that point I was like, I mean, there’s no denying now, like, I can’t do this job. I can’t feed myself, I can’t walk I can’t bathe myself. So, I mean, at that point, there wasn’t a choice to push through anymore. My body made me

Manon Bolliger  13:12

very loud voice, but good for you, getting that document, you know, together. But I mean, to think that this is the pressure that people were under, you know, at that time, and now that we know, you know, well, in Canada, we don’t know yet, because, as Trudeau said very proudly, that the reason the news is so limited is because he controls it, right?

Dayna Wylder  13:39

Yeah, well, censorship is pretty real here.

Manon Bolliger  13:42

It’s very real, you know. And most people in the States, whenever I talk to them, they they can’t believe it, and then we can’t share news, you know, if I show my apps to anybody, not allowed, content, not allowed, not allowed. It’s like what, you know, it’s, it’s absolutely insane here. But, you know, I think it’s hard to wake up when the real, you know, I mean, covid was, well, we know it’s pre planned all this business, right? We know it was all that stuff that is coming out now in black and white. It’s not even a question anymore, at least in the States, in their system, it’s all you know in Congress, like they they can’t hide it anymore, right? It’s actually out there. We’re not privy to that information. We can’t share that information. So the real disease here is our is the fact that we can’t get the truth, we can’t get informed consent. We are brainwashed, you know, and we’ve had to so many of us make decisions. I mean, for you, your body made the decision. For you, clearly saying, Okay, you’re out of this one. But truthfully, a lot of people, you know, their body didn’t do it yet, and or, you know their their stress levels went through the roof, or financially, they had no way out. And you know, I think we have to acknowledge that we we were all victims of incredibly astute propaganda, I mean very, very good propaganda, which was a lie, you know, as it turns out.

Dayna Wylder  15:31

So, you know, we the people that did have access to information, and we’re looking in the right places and seeking it. It was there, but it was almost to me, like we lived in two alternate realities. Yeah, correct, yeah, yeah, like the people that were on one side for me there, it got to a point. In the beginning, I really protested a lot. I did a lot of deputations against the government. I spoke up a lot, because I still thought there was a chance I was going to stop somebody from taking a vaccine that was going to hurt them. And in the end, you know, I saved my children, at least, and some people in my life around me, but the, you know, the wider community, I didn’t really affect them very much, but they really there was going to be no arguing with people that that, or even just displaying information that I had, like I was printing things out and showing it and being like, like, making this up. It’s not just me having an opinion. This is actual science, this, well, REAL science, not the kind that’s politicized, but, you know, but people there, there’s so much cognitive dissonance that people had a hard time once they were tricked into believing something. It’s very hard for them to go back and and admit that, and and the ones I do know that have admitted it now it’s because they got damaged. And that’s so sad to me. Like the friends that I have and the people in my life that that something bad has happened, they know why, and they talk about it now, but you know, it’s it’s too late that they know it now, and now it’s about, how can I help people, and how can I find solutions? And when I started treating people out of my house and doing energy healing, I had some of those people who had been, you know, on on the protesting side with me, and they were very concerned about me treating people that had been vaccinated because I was so compromised already. And they were thinking, Well, if you let these people into your house and they’re going to make you sick. And are you sure these people were so mean to you? Do you want to help these people? And I’m like, Absolutely. Like, the same way I meant it when I said that. You know, back, everyone always said that I got radicalized. And I was like, I think that actually I have the same opinions that we all used to have as a society all the way throughout time, which is, we had privacy right and we had the right of autonomy of our own body. And all of a sudden something changed, and everybody tried to take mine away. And now, in response, I’m not going to try to take that from somebody else to, you know, tit for tat with anybody. It is all utmost sympathy, because I know people that have been injured and and I’m not, I’m not quite sure yet for everybody, how we’re going to unwind some of that and help people. I know that I’ve, I’ve had some good success with PEMF in particular, seems to be helping people.

Manon Bolliger  18:10

Well, I was going to say, yeah, why don’t we talk about that? Because I think there’s a lot of people that you know, if they haven’t realized it yet they will, very shortly. I don’t think this is going to be a big secret much longer. I’d say the most a month, you know. And then it will be known worldwide, you know what, what actually happened? So, I mean, there’s med beds, there’s all these things. We don’t know if that’s, you know, when that’ll manifest exactly, but the work you already do is already frequency. It’s already energetic. Do you want to maybe share a bit of that? Because that gives people hope right now that there are things to do. Yeah.

Dayna Wylder  18:55

So I mean some of the tools I do biofield tuning, which is actually working with the bio field and and kind of, it’s almost like holding a mirror up to the body. So when the body is got a disharmony in it, or an oscillation or something stuck, when you play the frequency to the body, when it when it hears what it should sound like in comparison to what it is producing, it’s a chance for the body to kind of correct its own blueprint. And, you know, even before the tools, I just wanted to maybe, on the topic that we were just broaching, make something that’s so accessible to so many people right away. And it’s something that changed for me, is that I was really trying to, always before fight at the and I’m going to say again, this is moving from the physical to the energetic, or to the quantum. Is I was trying to fight people on the ground like, let’s protest, let’s fight politics, and we’re fighting, you know, words with words, politics with politics, opinion with opinion. But I found that the more I watched that negative media and. And the more I engaged with it, I almost felt like I was giving my energy to manifesting the very vision that these people were hoping, you know, that we’re trying to, you know, create this, you know, top down, you know, central control mechanism. And the more fearful we got about it, the more that we fed into that system. Even though we were on my side, trying to fight against it. I feel like I was contributing to it. I’m manifesting the fear and so with the energy devices, to me, I’ve thought it’s not even just the device, because not everybody has access to PEMF, and not everybody will know a practitioner that does bio residents, but we all have access to is the energy of our own thoughts and our own beliefs and our own perceptions, and it’s something that we can engage with where, if we come from a place, and I love that we’re talking about this now with compassion and love for people, because it’s exactly what’s needed in the world. We don’t, we don’t need more fear, we don’t need more judgment. We don’t need more, you know, shame for people that have taken it or guilt, or, you know, we need families to come back together and support each other’s communities, to come back and realize that, you know, it’s not as dark and as bad as we’re told it is all the time. I mean, when we watch the news, it seems dark, but when we actually look at the streets and our neighbors and our families and the people around us, the world is still beautiful. And if we treat each other with kindness and we create, you know, I guess maybe I, at some point, I stopped fighting against the government, and I started thinking, let’s create something else. Right? Exactly, right. So I started a farm school with a lady that has property, and we all built a yard, and everybody took their kids out of school, and I thought, it’s so beautiful. My kids, mind you, they’re in high school now, so they’ve gone back into school because they wanted that, but that, that community, that farm school, is thriving. Yeah, everybody is there, and it’s, it’s a huge community now and then, the same thing with me doing teaching yoga and sound bath. I thought there is still a way to just bring all of these people that have felt lonely and isolated, and to bring them all into a place where we are playing a shared frequency, you know, of hope and love and community. And, you know, I love the tech devices too. I treat people with that. I think that they’re really valuable, and I think that they can affect the body very quickly, and they’re powerful, but our mind does so much for us too. And I don’t, I think people underestimate, actually, how much power they have to create the frequency they want and to manifest the life they want just by using their own mind.

Manon Bolliger  22:28

So, like, just concretely, to give an example, when you say you can use your own mind so somebody’s listening and they’re going, Okay, well, what do I what is it I do? So, like, I don’t want to answer it for you. You tell me what you would,

Dayna Wylder  22:48

you know, I mean the simplest, easiest one. And sometimes when I say these things, I think it sounds so simplistic that people are like, they think that things need to be complicated to work, but they don’t. They don’t, because the thing about energy that’s so beautiful is that all you have to do is just think a different thought, and your energy immediately shifts Right, right? And I know this because when I’m when I’m live, teaching with people, or working with people, I can do a muscle testing or kinesiology, right, applied Kinesiology. And you can see right away, if I tell somebody, think about a negative thought, they get weaker. If I, you know, think of a happy moment, they get stronger. So I mean, you know that the thought is that immediate. So one of the practices I love to do, I mean, not everybody is religious. So I mean, if you’re not saying grace at the table, another easy practice is when you sit down to eat meals. And it is a good idea to always sit with other people and to share meals, not eating on the run, not, you know, rushing, you know, the then the blue zones around the world. One of the things is not just the food they eat, but it is the fact that they eat together and they have shared community. That every time we eat in my house, we say five things we’re grateful for. And that was like pulling teeth when I first did it with my kids, you know. Instead, they always want to, like, say it like, backhanded, like, well, I’m grateful that it’s your night to clean, right? Like it was. So it took a while to get everybody kind of into the groove of it, but that’s such an immediate practice to do that changes the way you think about your own life. And I know one of my first clients I ever had, she was so sick she couldn’t come into my house to do PEMF. I had to buy a portable carrier in case so I could bring it to her house. And she was an elderly lady, and she asked me, what was it that how did I first start to heal when I was so sick that I was crawling and it took me a minute to answer, but you know, the answer I gave her then still really holds true for me, which was I became grateful before there was anything to be grateful for. And so even when I was laying on the floor, and everybody else’s life kept spinning. So everybody’s still at work and at school, and they’re all doing things, and I’m just alone every day with my thoughts and my broken body. And I started to think about, well, you know, there still is so many things that I could be grateful for, the fact that I’m laying here with my dog beside me, the fact that I have a house right that there’s heat right now, that. That somebody still, you know, poured me a glass of water before they left the house, so I could have that right, that somebody was going to come home later tonight and tell me they love me, right? That there was like that I still had the strong mind that could help heal my body. Like, once you start, even right now, if I just start saying it, I could just go on and on and on, be grateful for and that’s just a quick, easy practice to do, you know, like we are kind of born with a negativity bias, because it is evolutionary for us to like, remember all the things that could be danger or the bad things, and you know who to stay away from and what not to engage with. But it’s a conscious effort to draw on the positive memories and the positive resources. And the same way that we train ourselves to be negative and to complain and to judge, we need to train our brain to also remember all of the wonderful things that happen too. Because whatever, whatever you will seek, you’ll find, right like, you know, if you’re buying you buy a white jeep. You see white Jeeps everywhere because you’re looking for it, right? With happiness, and it’s the same thing with joy.

Manon Bolliger  26:09

Oh, yeah, I definitely concur. Yeah. It’s very interesting to hear your you know, how you managed to turn that around? So it was partially like you say, the gratitude, just to start the practice, and then it becomes not, I mean, at least, at least for me, it’s natural. I I’m more like, I see the celebration and everything. So I’m like, oh, you know. And then sometimes people say to me, but it hasn’t happened yet, oh, it’s going to really care. I can feel it. And what’s the difference? If it you celebrate and it you feel this joy and it feels true. I mean, it’s part of almost the manifesting. I don’t do it like, oh, because I’m going to manifest. It comes to me, and then I have to just acknowledge it, because it’s actually there, you know. And I know Byron Katie said, if, if you don’t, if it does, if the thought doesn’t bother you or doesn’t hurt you, keep it right. The rest you can deal with, right? But you know, there’s many ways of working on it, or putting in a cloud or do whatever, but it’s like, keep the good things, you know, and then after a while, it’s, that’s what you see, you know, absolutely.

Dayna Wylder  27:27

And I feel like we are like antennas to the field, yes. So what are we broadcasting? And if we’re broadcasting fear and worry, and you know, it’s one of the decisions I made early with the MS too. Was that because I had thought after I got diagnosed, when I had my my second son, and then I was thinking I wanted to have another child because I didn’t want him to be cut off from family lines. I wanted him to have be an uncle, and, you know, to have nieces, nephews. I wanted there to be, you know, an extended family. But I was thinking, is this really irresponsible now, like, you know, now I have MS of grieving, and I’m high risk. Was that second pregnancy didn’t really it was very scary, too, you know, the story of that, and I’m still in this abusive marriage, and I thought, you know, I’m never going to make a decision based on fear with the MS, because the truth really is going to be that, you know, there’s a few scenarios how it plays out. Either I could be very scared about my future, and I can waste all the years worrying, and I get to the end and the MS didn’t really do that much, my life was fine, but I wasted my whole life worrying about something that never came to be. Or I can Worry, worry, worry, worry, and end up the worrying maybe accelerating my stress and my health going bad. The health goes bad. I still didn’t get to enjoy any of the years because I worried the whole time. Or I can just, like, be happy and just take it for how it is, live in what is, which is right now. I’m fine right now. I’m safe right now. I’m okay. And, you know, maybe tomorrow I won’t be but I’ll still be okay, even if an MS relapse comes or something happens, that’s okay. I’m still going to be okay anyway, and maybe I get to the end of my life, and it was all just beautiful, regardless of whether my health did whatever we did right? Is just be happy with it. And and when you’re broadcasting that frequency out all the time, you know, the universe meets you halfway, right? And so whatever you’re putting out there, just like the tuning forks. When I’m, like, listening to people’s body, you know, the the cosmos and the energy and the field, it’s just, you know, a macro of the micro that’s going on in your body. And you will manifest those things coming towards you. And you know, and I don’t think manifestations necessarily exactly like one for one, like you’re like, oh, I want this exact thing, and you get it. But the frequency, the emotions that you hold, you know, the belief that you hold, and even if it’s as small as that, life never really changed, but you just noticed to be happier, right? It wasn’t some magical thing that happened, even if it’s only that, then, isn’t that good enough, too? That’s huge, right? Like, that’s just like placebo. I don’t care if it was real or not, like, if, in the end, the thing made me feel better. Yeah, then, you know, that’s the point.

Manon Bolliger  30:01

Yeah, that was exactly the point. So, yeah, no. And, you know, I think too. The other thing is to in order for that to be, like, if you have beliefs, for example, that you haven’t questioned, you know, like, for example, when I, when I was diagnosed, you know, I was suggested to go to, what are those groups called support groups. But the support group, oh my gosh, like, negative craziness, like, it’s like, and what will you do when you’re on the wheelchair? What will you do? And how will you this? And, you know, it’s like, oh my God, I am so not being in this group. And, you know, there was a choice where I could try and be the inspiration for this group. But no, no, I gotta deal with me here. And my vibe feeling was not get out of there. This is not the world, you know. And you know, look for proof, which was easy, because at the time, I was a practicing naturopath, and I know that Ms can be and I can’t use that word, and I still won’t, because it’s so illegal in Canada, I’m not going to go there. But it can. You could have a life that feels as if you really don’t have such a condition.

Dayna Wylder  31:19

You know, I actually can’t say that, but I already feel like that’s happened

Manon Bolliger  31:24

for me. Yeah, me too, me too. That’s

Dayna Wylder  31:27

actually done. I’ve already sorted that, and it’s and it’s done, and I don’t, and I think actually it’s one of the beautiful things at the beginning, is that I never, ever identified with that label, and I never believed it. So when I first got diagnosed, because I had done a lot of courses about brain and behavior in university, and so I knew about ms already, and I knew kind of some of the symptoms, and I had it in my mind that that could have been it. But by the time I went to see my actual ms doctor for the first time, and he said to me, you know, all this poor prognosis and how things would turn out and what I need to do and take and you know how effective those things only are. And I remember, I’d already kind of researched it a little bit, and I said to him, Well, no, I’m going to cure it. And he was laughing. He’s like, Well, you can’t do that. And I was like, Well, you know, I read studies where some people never get any new lesions, and the rest of their life they never get any more. He’s like, Yeah, that happens sometimes. Like, well, I’ve also heard that they can shrink and go away. Yeah. That happens. Sometimes. I’m like, Okay, well, I’m gonna do both. I’m gonna not get anymore, I’m gonna drink the ones that I have.

Manon Bolliger  32:27

And there’s a study that shows that there may not be any correlation between the lesions and the symptoms. Another study, you know. So it’s like, hello, you know.

Dayna Wylder  32:36

And he he said, you know, be prepared to be in a wheelchair probably within 10 years and keep your job with benefits. And on the 10 year anniversary, I ran a triathlon.

Manon Bolliger  32:47

Oh, my goodness, congratulations.

Dayna Wylder  32:49

You know what? Though, honestly, looking back, I don’t think I would ever do that again, because that was a little bit of that perfectionist fight against it, prove it exactly, yeah, so I think that, I don’t know that I would want to go back and maybe recreate that, but it was a little

Manon Bolliger  33:05

bit of like a celebration. Wow. Okay, I have one more question for you, just it’s because it’s on my mind, and we haven’t really talked Well, we have actually, indirectly, we haven’t talked about sound baths, and we haven’t really, you know, explored more. So if you have something you want to end with that, I’m more than happy that you you do that. But are you still in what you would call an abusive relationship?

Dayna Wylder  33:38

No, no. So I eventually, and this is the thing about energetics, too, that relationship once, I finally decided when I had my daughter, so now I have two kids, and I guess some of the things I tolerated for myself. Once I had children, I was like, I couldn’t tolerate it for them, right, right? Because it maybe in my life, I didn’t think I was worth it, but they definitely were and, and so, you know, it was hard to because I, you know, being a relationship, I was kind of scared of them, and leaving is a scary thing to do. And I, you know, now I also have a disease, and I’m working only part time, and I have two kids, and how am I actually going to now, you know, like I might leave the stress of him, but I have the stress of carrying this weight now by myself, but energetically, once I said, like no thank you to him, it was just done, you know. And then I had a lot of things you have to pick up the pieces later, but I took after that, almost two years where I never dated, I never, you know, entertained men in any way. In my mind, I just, I’m going to get my ducks in a row. I’m going to figure out all those patterns in myself and those beliefs I have about myself, because I don’t want to welcome that in my life ever again. I’m not trading in their dad for a different guy. That’s going to be maybe even worse. So I that whole year or two that I was doing that I kept saying to myself the affirmation over and over. Sure you deserve peace and happiness. You deserve peace and happiness. And I I played that to myself every morning when I was waking up, and every night when I was going to bed, and I eventually ended up with, I would say, the man I’m with now. I’ve been with for 10 years, so he’s actually raised my kids more than their dad did. He’s like, not even just my, my but the best part I’ve ever had, he’s my favorite friend I’ve ever had. Well, you know, and just and so kind of what a difference. Because when I had MS, and I looked at my my ex husband, what a terrifying thought it was for me that he was going to be my caregiver, right? If I ever became vulnerable or in a wheelchair or something, this man would really have, you know, taking advantage of that, and it would have been a nightmare, where it would have

Manon Bolliger  35:44

been like a being in a hospital. I mean, it’s terrible. It’s, you know, how people have suffered in there, right, from exactly this kind of abusive, yeah, a position, right this, it’s crazy.

Dayna Wylder  36:02

But you know what, actually, and I, you begin having being a former naturopath. I right in the beginning, when I got diagnosed, I left that neurologist, and I said, I’m going to go try to seek somebody else. And I found this lovely naturopath, and she, she kind of, you know, tiptoed around it during a lot of our first meeting, but near the end, before I left, she said, You know, I just want to let you know I’ve had a lot of patients with MS that have come to me over the years, and they had one common pattern. They were all in really terrible marriages, and how’s your marriage? And I was like, Well, now that you ask, it’s not that great. And she said, Well, I don’t really want to, you know, it’s not my place to say anything. But those people that left those marriages, they’re all doing fine now, and the ones that stayed, I don’t even see them anymore, and they didn’t do very well, wow. And it was when I really started to think, yeah, I need to readjust this, because, you know, he’s probably going to put me in the wheelchair.

Manon Bolliger  36:52

Yeah, well, you would be allowing him to put you in the wheel.

Dayna Wylder  36:56

Yes, that’s right, yeah, I know, because we are responsible for,

Manon Bolliger  37:02

yeah, okay, let’s finish this with it was people who don’t know what a sound bath is. Why don’t you explain what that is, at least? So there’s something about this, because this was a lovely conversation, and I think from a healing perspective, which is what my podcast is. You know, how do people heal? What does it take? All of that, I think we’ve covered, you know, amazing ground. But sound healing, some people may not know what it is. Why don’t you explain it?

Dayna Wylder  37:31

Yeah, so sound bath, I do for groups of people, and we generally start by doing some kind of energy work, so a little bit of maybe yoga, some pranayama, or breath work, Qigong, anything to just kind of open the body and kind of get the energy moving and flowing, and then generally moving into a meditation once we’ve kind of got the body, kind of like taking a breath and letting go and relaxing a little bit. And then I, generally, I have people lie down and get cozy with a blanket around them. I provide eye masks, because I feel there’s something about all the other senses being blocked out right where you’re really now you’re just listening. And I’ll walk through and I know different people do sound baths with, you know, sort of different techniques, but for me, I like to make the sound immersive. So I set up my instruments, you know, in different parts of the room, and then I walk over top of people. Because if you take, say, my sonic chimes, and once you hit them, if you move them, it oscillates the this the sound over top of somebody. So it becomes like they’re part of the wave. I know that a lot of people have a difficulty meditating because we, especially people with the monkey mind and the active world, and we’re so distracted with social media and news and all of these things, it’s very hard to sit down. But sound is a really beautiful bridge into meditation because it gives your left brain that needs to think and to analyze and to process. It gives that part of you something to pay attention to, so that, especially once I get to the crystal bowls, they have so many overtones in them, and especially when you start to pair them together with multiple ones at one time, singing, it’s it gives you something to listen to and focus on where the right brain, then the one that’s creative and problem solving and has the space and the expansiveness and is more open, it has a chance for that one to kind of come in to the forefront. And I find that that’s where a lot of the stored beliefs are and the stored emotions are. And you know, you’re getting into the somatic and the body. And I’ve had experience many times over and over with people releasing a lot of emotions during sound bath, that people end up crying, some people end up kind of ecstatic and and it’s interesting for me, because I’m getting to watch people, especially when they have the eye masks on and they’re all laying down. What freak. One sees will do different things for different people. So I find, like when I play 528, Hertz, that a lot of people sigh. Where you see people hear these big breaths and they kind of let something out, right? And when I’m playing, you know, higher frequency ones, I’ll get people clearing their throat more often, right where, when you’re moving on higher frequencies, where there’s our people swallow, or there’s little, just kinds of things where I can see their bodies actually working through something like, I don’t know what’s going on inside their mind, but I get to see, you know how you can see their chest and their stomach rise and fall differently as you play frequency to them. But I always every sound bath, and I think with this podcast too, talking about things that are accessible for people right now today, which are, you know, sometimes the the energy tools, as much as I love them, not everybody has them. Same with sound bath, as much as I love everybody to keep coming back. And I have regulars that come all the time. I like to give people things that they can take at home and do for free all the time. And so we end up every sound bath by doing a lot of chanting and mantra, because it’s something and and it’s really powerful too, like your own voice is your best healing tool, and not even just because I believe that words do have a lot of power. So when we’re actually saying Sanskrit words that have these, you know, powerful messages, and frequency with them, but it’s also stimulating your vagus nerve, right? And it’s calming the parasympathetic nervous system, and it’s having all these other wonderful benefits. And words are not even just in that sense of humming or vibrating, but words are so powerful in general, right? And so it’s like, really, to be careful the kinds of words that we speak, because that’s its own kind of, you know, harmonic frequency, or it’s a dissonant frequency,

Manon Bolliger  41:47

absolutely, yeah, yeah, great. Well, I think we, we managed to cover a lot, so I really appreciate your time and your share for today.

Dayna Wylder  41:59

Yeah, thank you. I feel like this is a conversation I could just have hours on end. I love talking about this stuff. Thank you. Yeah, thank you for having me. Yeah.

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