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Michael Kohan
From Wall Street to Self-Awareness – the Journey to Life Coach with Michael Kohan & Manon on The Healers Café
In this episode of The Healers Café, Manon Bolliger, FCAH, RBHT (facilitator and retired naturopath with 30+ years of practice) speaks to Mikael a life coach, who shares his transformative journey from a corporate finance career to becoming a life coach. Initially studying clinical psychology, he worked in New York City post-9/11, dealing with trauma and addiction. His turning point came when he started practicing yoga, which led him to quit his job and pursue yoga full-time.
Highlights from today’s episode include:
Michael explains the true role of a life coach is not to tell clients what to do, but to teach them self-awareness and the skills to make their own decisions, helping them understand and realign their beliefs and habits for authentic growth.
Michael says finding the “space between the breath”—moments of self-reflection and stillness—is essential for breaking out of constant stimulation and overwhelm, allowing for genuine self-awareness and personal change.
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Manon says simple things, like connecting with nature or community, are often the most powerful for well-being, even though society tends to undervalue simplicity in favor of complexity.

ABOUT MICHAEL KOHAN:
Michael Kohan is an I.C.F Certified Life Coach who wakes up each morning with a simple purpose: to help others rediscover their powerful inner strengths and give clients and students the tools they need to make more meaningful decisions to Aim Higher and Elevate Their Lives. In 2015, he founded The Elevate Life Project, an online community for people to re-discover their true selves and gain the skills to move forward and find lasting success. Michael is dedicated to helping his clients and students find balance in all aspects of their lives—emotional, spiritual, mental, and physical well-being. He feels his purpose is to serve others through his teaching by encouraging students and clients to become steadfast in their practices while integrating spiritual and mindful living into their day-to-day lives to achieve their goals, live their dreams, and achieve the impossible.
Core purpose/passion: My core purpose is to be a devoted student of personal awareness, continually exploring the depths of my thoughts, emotions, and behaviors with curiosity and compassion. I believe that true growth begins with self-understanding, and I’m committed to walking that path every day. Through Dialectical Behavior Therapy; coaching, I share the insights I gain—not as someone who has all the answers, but as someone walking alongside others. I teach what I learn, offering practical tools for emotional regulation, mindfulness, and meaningful change, empowering others to build lives rooted in self-awareness, resilience, and authentic connection.

ABOUT MANON BOLLIGER, FCAH, RBHT
As a recently De-Registered board-certified naturopathic physician & in practice since 1992, I’ve seen an average of 150 patients per week and have helped people ranging from rural farmers in Nova Scotia to stressed out CEOs in Toronto to tri-athletes here in Vancouver.
My resolve to educate, empower and engage people to take charge of their own health is evident in my best-selling books: ‘What Patients Don’t Say if Doctors Don’t Ask: The Mindful Patient-Doctor Relationship’ and ‘A Healer in Every Household: Simple Solutions for Stress’. I also teach BowenFirst™ Therapy through Bowen College and hold transformational workshops to achieve these goals.
So, when I share with you that LISTENING to Your body is a game changer in the healing process, I am speaking from expertise and direct experience”.
Mission: A Healer in Every Household!
For more great information to go to her weekly blog: http://bowencollege.com/blog.
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TRANSCRIPT
Introduction 00:00
Welcome to the Healers Café. The number one show for medical practitioners and holistic healers, to have heart to heart conversations about their day to day lives, while sharing their expertise for improving your health and wellness.
Manon Bolliger 00:23
Welcome to the Healers Cafe, and today I have with me Michael Kohan, and he’s a life coach. He’s also had a very interesting life, which I think often people who end up being successful. Life coaches have a life that is varied and that they’ve had to bounce from in different ways of looking at things and different exposures. So I wanted to just start actually, first of all, thank you for being here, but also tell us a little bit, you know, from Wall Street to Hare Krishna to
Michael Kohan 01:08
so we’re gonna have to buckle up, and I’m gonna have to tell you a life story. So audience, if you’re listening, you know, enjoy the drive, enjoy the chores, draw the walk, enjoy the workout while I tell the story. So let’s see. Originally, I was in graduate school, I finished up my master’s in clinical psychology, and I was doing my internship in psychotherapy, going to then get my PhD in psychology. When 911 happened, I don’t really remember a lot about 911 it’s that it’s fortuitous that we’re having this conversation at this time of the year, for obvious reasons, because 911 is right around the corner. I remember being in New York City. I remember being in building four waiting for friends to go out to have a drink, and then being in New Jersey, I remember running down Broadway as building one was coming down, and the earth was shaking, and this that the dust and the debris was coming over us like a ocean wave. And those are really the only two sort of memories I have. And the next thing I know, I ended up in New Jersey, my parents picking me up and bring me and I don’t remember how I got out of this city. I don’t know if I got a ride, took a train. I just remember ending up in Newark, and somehow any getting like picked up and brought back to New Brunswick, where I was in school, while I was doing my in my accounts, I was doing an internship, also at a crisis Youth Center, where I was working with inner city gang kids and this troubled youth from both inner cities and rural areas that had abusive parents and had behavioral issues. And I was working in the kitchen, and this was around, this was around, and a kid tried to see with a knife, because I wouldn’t give him a needle and thread, and he basically flipped down and had access to a knife and stabbed me in the arm. And afterwards, I was like, fuck this. Sorry for my language. And was like, Really, just had a like, humanity is awful. I don’t want anything to do with anybody ever again. I went out to California, where my parents live, and try, like, I come from divorced family, so my dad and my stepmother in California. So I went out to California to try to figure out what I should do next. And my dad’s like, you should go get a corporate job. Like, thinking like, oh, that’s the traditional path, you know, like trying to help me. So I said, okay, and I ended up somehow getting a job working in New York City after 911 of all places. And I found my wealth self over a course of a few years working on in corporate finance, specifically working in an industry that is called The Real Estate Investment Trust industry. So I worked for private equity firms and hedge funds and mutual funds buying real estate and developing real estate, the backbone of the housing crisis of today. So I understand exactly what’s going on when I tell people that the system is rigged against you. It really is I, one of my former companies I work for has over 3 million vacant apartments specifically kept vacant to make more to increase rent and decrease wear and tear on their property to make more money, and they sell the vacancy at a tax shelf. Or loss, we can get into that if you want to another time. Wow, that’s interesting, but, yeah, totally messed up. And we can get into that if you want to at another time. So I’m off my path where I want my purpose in life is to help people. Now I’m in New York City, which is the pressure cooker of the world. I’m working. I’m not the smartest person in the office. I mean, I’m working alongside people who have MBAs and PhDs and economics and from Harvard and Yale and Princeton, but I outworked you. If you came into the office at eight, I came into the office at seven. If you left the office at 10, I left the office at midnight. If you worked on Saturday, I worked on Saturday and Sunday. Well, how do you work? You know, 140 hours a week and function. Well, you do drugs, right? So I was started off very small. I was doing, I would get a prescription for Adderall from one doctor, and then I got a prescription for Adderall from another doctor. Then I had a prescription from Adderall from another doctor. So I had three prescriptions of Adderall, and I wasn’t taking them orally. I was taking them in various forms, which we all know we do through, you know, through the nose and the mouth. And I was doing fine for a little while, but what happens after a while, you can’t sleep, right? You get strung out on the on Adderall. So then what do you do? You go to another doctor and you get a prescription to Xanax, and you get another doctor, and you get a prescription to Percocet for your back and you go to another doctor for Vicodin for your back pain also. So I basically had six doctors giving me six prescriptions. Now, this is prior to the opioid epidemic, so there wasn’t the sort of medical records that we have today. This is before the ACA. This is early, 2000s so I, on paper, looked like I had it all. I was, I was, what, 2829 years old, I was making almost a half a million dollars a year living in New York City. Went to the gym in the morning and worked out, had a girlfriend, had a brownstone apartment, and behind closed doors, hidden were pills, and I was basically doing drugs, and no one knew. I kept it a secret. Friends didn’t know, family didn’t know. I kept it a secret to everybody, because I’m very much a controlling person, and I had an image, and then at 30 years old when one friend figured out what I was doing, and she turned to me said, look, she goes, you’re going to die of a heart attack. If you keep doing what you’re doing, you’re burning both ends, and it’s starting to show right? In your 20s, you can run through a brick wall and survive, right? You can eat a whole pizza and go to McDonald’s and drink a keg of beer and wake up the next day and go, yay. But when you get into your 30s, those bad habits start to show. And I started to gain weight. I started to be I started to become obese. I started to my skin started looking bad. People started to notice behavioral issues, and she recommended me to go see a therapist. How do you think I acted in front of the therapist
Manon Bolliger 08:30
like you didn’t need them? Manon knew it all.
Michael Kohan 08:33
Yeah, I have a master’s in psychology, right? I can I have clinical therapy. I know exactly what you’re going to do when you come sit with me. You’re going to psychoanalyze me. I’m going to psychoanalyze you right back. After about six sessions, the therapist turned to me, said, You have psychology background, don’t you? And I laughed. I said, Yeah. How do you know he goes because you’re psychoanalyzing me as I’m talking to you. You’re manipulating me as I’m trying to help you. He’s like, what? And so I explained to him my background, and he said, do me a favor. He’s like this, come up, come into come into my office, and we’ll play cards or do something together. But what I want you to do is, I want you to do something healthy for me at least once a week. And I was like, All right, I’ll do that. Like, this is what I need to ..
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do to, like, make you happy. And my friend gets off my back, I’ll come in, I’ll play cards with you, and I’ll do something healthy. And he said, here’s what I want you to do. I want you to go take a yoga class once a week, and I won’t bother you. Well, you’ll come in, you hang out, and you’ll go home. And that’s what changed my life. Wow, crazy, because I was overworked. There was only one yoga studio I can go to, because they had a nine o’clock yoga class 9pm and it was a yoga studio called Jeeva mukti, and this was in the. Mid 2000s This is before yoga was everywhere, before Instagram, before social media, before yoga, pornography was prevalent. Right before people practice yoga and underwear and people and get became famous, and this yoga studio turned out to be the mecca of yoga. It was owned by Sharon, Garen Gannon and David life. It was owned by Sting, all these famous people would go practice yoga there, I know, and I just fell in love with it, and it transformed my life for the positive. I began to slowly wean myself off of drugs. Started developing healthy habits. I started feeling better about myself because, you know, as a as a heteronormative man, go to a yoga studio, especially in the early 2000s What do you see? A bunch of beautiful, athletic women that I wanted to be hooking up with, right? So I got really into yoga, but as an extremist, I took it to the other side, and I went all the way to the other side, and I ended up finding myself at 33 years old, quitting my job, pursuing a passion of yoga and becoming almost a hare krishna monk. So I’m on one extreme in my when I’m 30 right? Super corporate greed, workaholic, drug and alcohol, toxic individual, like horrible human being, treating people like garbage to the other extreme of money is the root of all evil. Can’t work. We should pray. We should chant mantra to the other stream. And I found myself on the other side, suffocating as well, because I was going from one to the other, yeah, and I did that for about three or four years, where I was finding the walls closing in on me because I was not my authentic, true self. So around 36 years old, I packed up all my belongings, sold everything I owned in and moved out of the city to start over and to really find a way to be sort of like the middle my authentic self. And that’s when I decided to teach yoga for a living. But I found I couldn’t make it a living teaching yoga. I loved it. Loved teaching yoga. It was great. Loved it, but I couldn’t support myself. And so I asked myself, What do I love about teaching yoga that I can support myself? And I went, Oh, I love helping people. That’s what my calling was. And I was like, Well, I have this master’s in psychology, I have an associate’s degree in religion, I have all this yoga practice. Maybe I can do something with that. And that’s how I became a life coach.
Manon Bolliger 13:09
Interesting, yeah, but it does afford you more freedom, right?
Michael Kohan 13:14
Like, yeah. I mean, I tried going back down the psychology route and being a therapist, and I really just don’t like it. I mean, it’s not that it’s a bad thing. It’s just not for me. I love sharing knowledge and I love teaching. I don’t I so I don’t like just sitting, having the same conversation with somebody every week, right? Or it’s just like, tell me how. Like, there’s not. I think there’s a purpose for that. I think a good therapist does help people, and I think a good therapist gets them ready for a life coach, and so I do partner with a lot of therapists in my coaching practice. I think it’s because of my background I’m able to work with therapist. But what I like is more of the dialectic teaching. I like teaching people emotional intelligence. I like teaching people belief, net beliefs and their default mode network. I like teaching about overthinking and catastrophizing and and what worry is and understanding their relationship to fear and imposter syndrome. I like teaching those aspects rather than sitting and discussing their childhood trauma and their presence,
Manon Bolliger 14:27
it’s like life skills, right, that they can then empower themselves and do, yeah, you know, whereas in the therapeutic model, you’re more the fixer, And in a sense, you hold the the power right, at least in the dynamic, often scene.
Michael Kohan 14:46
So what I do that, what, what I find problematic in my industry as a life coach, is people think a life coach should tell you what to do, and I tell every client I ever. Worked with is if anybody tells you what to do, run as far away as you can from that person. That’s not the job of a life coach. That’s not the job of a therapist, that’s a cult leader. I know cults. I joined them. I like them. I know exactly what a cult is. I joined a yoga cult. I joined religious cults. I know what a cult is, right? That’s a cult leader. This is what you should do. A life coach teaches you the skills for you to become more self aware, so that you then make the decisions yourself that’s right for you. That’s all the job of a life coach is. It’s to teach you to understand who you are as a person, and to then look at how you’re living your life, and then apply that knowledge, right? So I teach clients like any corporate executives, moms, people that have just graduated college. I teach them like I start off with like, emotional intelligence, right? What are the five components, how to be self more self aware. What the foundations of self regulation, negativity, bias, understanding, motion, motivation and neuro associative conditioning, and that helps them evaluate how they’re living their lives. So then, then they begin to see where their imbalances are. And then when we go on to the next challenge and then the next challenge, like limiting beliefs. So also, I’ll break down how beliefs are formed. What is the difference between self awareness and self blame? Why we internalize beliefs? What is the difference between actual and perceived beliefs, and what happens when our values and beliefs contradict, and how to assess and reevaluate and realign them based on current circumstances. These are, this is the job of a life coach. Right? The job of a life coach isn’t well, you should wake up every morning at 5am and meditate and do yoga and write in a journal before you start the day and raise get up your kid, get your kids and work your 10 hour day. That’s not the job of a life coach. That’s an author selling a book.
Manon Bolliger 17:08
Fair enough. Yeah, that’s true. Yeah.
Michael Kohan 17:12
I mean, there’s nothing wrong with the advice. I mean, it’s good advice, get up in the morning and do something for yourself before you start the day. And a life coach can suggest that, but it’s not the job of a life coach to tell you to do that right. A life coach can do a SWOT analysis, help you set goals. Life Coaching, help you establish routine and habits, but under and teach you how to form habits, understanding the difference between empowering and inhibiting habits. A life coach can teach you while why inhibiting habits are so easily formed, but the life coach isn’t to sit there and be like, well, you should do dot, dot, dot, dot, and that’s how you’ll be your best self. The job of the coachee is to figure out what their best self is. Additionally, a life coach is helping someone gain perspective, right? So they’re not going so, like some, when someone goes to a therapist, it’s because they have a problem, like they’re depressed, they’re anxious, they have a debilitating circumstance that prevents them from living a normal or neutral life. A life coach helps someone have perspective like i i have executives that I work with that this their senior level, executives, fortune 500 companies, presidents of large companies, owners 100 million dollar portfolios and businesses where everybody turns to them for the answer, and they don’t have anybody that they can turn to, so sometimes they just need somebody to talk to, where they just say, here’s the situation at work, here’s the situation with this employee, here’s the situation with this vendor or this circumstance. And a life coach or an executive coach is just to help them evaluate the situation so that then they can choose what the right action is to take. That’s it. That’s what we do.
Manon Bolliger 19:10
So when you were sort of in the other extreme of going yoga, but also Hare Krishna and all the
Michael Kohan 19:22
way Ted and all,
Manon Bolliger 19:25
yeah, but What? What? What was the pivotal thing? Like you said you were aware of like the walls closing in. But what was it that gave you the self awareness that this too was not the answer like because you ended up teaching yoga. So it’s not like you thought, oh, it’s it’s all wrong. But how is that connected to, let’s say, in a session with people, right? You as a life coach, how would you. Bring out what it is that you experienced in that transition yourself. I guess that’s my question. Yeah.
Michael Kohan 20:08
I mean, it’s a little hard, a little more a little hard for me to pinpoint for myself personally, because I was in in it. So I can’t, I can’t really tell, okay, so when I was practicing yoga, and I was really studying yoga, and I was studying and I was getting a associate’s degree in religion, I was studying, you know, Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Christianity, Judaism, and I did a retreat with a Buddhist monk as part of a course in upstate New York. And for those of you who grew up in the 80s and 90s and earlier, you remember those high school gymnasiums that didn’t have air conditioning, and they had the big, giant ceilings with 50 fans to keep the room Cool. Well, that was the retreat center, so that we were in a meditation center, and we were meditating, and there was about 100 of us, and it was a silent retreat for seven days. And I had the unfortunate mistake of sitting underneath a fan that was a little broken. And so every day I would be dropping into meditation, and then every once a while, the the fan would kind of like shake and get off kilter and would snap me out of meditation. We have an expression in in yoga, find the space between the breath, right? Find the space between the breath. That expression drove me nuts for years I hated us. But what do they mean? Find the space you inhale, you exhale, you inhale, you exhale. I’m breathing. What the heck do you mean? Find the space between the breath.
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Michael Kohan 23:01
We live in this state of overwhelm these days, right? We wake up, what do we do? We turn on a like, even if we turn on it, we turn on the TV, or we turn on a podcast, right? And we’re not like listening to like a meditation. We’re listening to like, murder mystery, true crime, news, politics, financial news, right? We get up and we’re stimulated. Then we get our family up, we have kids, and we’re stimulated. Then we get in the car and we’re stimulated. Then we go to work and we’re stimulated. Then we get off of work, we drive home and we’re stimulated. We walk in the house. What’s the first thing everybody does? They turn the TV on, because being in the house and quiet is painful and unpleasant, so we’re stimulated, then we run around, we feed, feed everybody, then we watch TV and we go to sleep. Then on the weekends, when we’re waiting in line to get our caf and go grocery shopping, what do we do? We’re on our cell phones every five seconds. So we never have the chance for self reflection. We never have that space. That’s what it means to find the space between the breath. It’s the pauses between the activities, whether it’s five minutes a half hour, it’s to find that those moments where you’re just with your thoughts, the advantage of studying yoga and meditation and prayer and mantra, you have the time to find the space between the breath, so you have time for self awareness and self reflection. It’s part of the practice. So it became very natural for me over over a period of time where I began to see the walls climbing in, because I felt like I was very much trapped in a box that I had to behave in a way that wasn’t ideal to who I am as a person. I love the Hare Krishna culture in the community, but I like nice things. I like having a nice house and a car and clothes, and I like earning a living. Doesn’t mean that I’m a bad person. It just means that. That wasn’t the right fit for me, right? The problem we have as individuals is we’re so overwhelmed, and we’re in a constant state of survival mode, because we gravitate towards negativity, right? We Doom scroll on Instagram, right, or Tiktok or YouTube, and I’ll have clients I go, but, but, but I follow these really inspirational people. I’m like, Yeah, you might see one post that’s really positive, but the rest is crap, because we gravitate towards negativity, so the stuff that we see is more negative. Therefore we never feel good about who we are as a person. So as a result, we need more and more and more and more. And so what I teach clients to do, and I do it in every practice. I teach them the box breathing. I teach them so, like, whenever I do a coaching session, I first do a check in from the previous session. I have, like, next steps, I just go down the list. I say based, you know, did you do you know, did you implement this step? You implement that practice? Did you incorporate this self reflection? Did you do this exercise? The end of all that we we center close our eyes, we do box breathing, and I teach them to incorporate that into their daily lives, to find the space between the breath for that self reflection to be comfortable with it, so that then they can begin to see where things aren’t working for them, just like I did when it came to aspiring to be a monk and and living in a very beautiful community that wasn’t right for me,
Manon Bolliger 26:36
right? That’s all I do. Yeah? Yeah. I think it’s it is that space or the gap, or whatever one calls it, but where you can have self reflection, otherwise you’re just on one train or another, right? And you Yeah, and then you have to stop it, because it’s interesting that you ended up teaching yoga. It’s not like said, the whole thing is not worth it.
Michael Kohan 27:03
It’s beautiful practice. It’s beautiful. Yeah, it has a lot of wonderful things. It’s this. What I have found is, with a lot of people, is we keep looking for the complex and the simple, right? Most of us, it’s like, it’s like, I was reading this article where, like, 70% of people that work from home feel lonely, and I’m like, I work from home, I don’t feel lonely. And I’m like, Oh, wait, it’s because I go to business events every week. So every week I go to some sort of, like, at least twice a month I go to a business meeting where they’re teaching, there’s a workshop and a seminar, and at least once a month I’m going into like a cocktail hour in my for like, small business owners in my area, and I go and I play pickleball and I go to the gym, I’m like, Oh, wait, it’s as simple as that. It’s like, you can work from home and feel lonely, or you can work from home and choose to get out of your house to not feel lonely. It’s this, the simple seems too easy. Simple doesn’t mean easy. It just is simple. Sometimes the simplest things are the hardest things to do, and I find that that’s like a growing thing for us as a culture. It’s like the more stuff we have, the more wealth we have, the more isolated, the more lonely, and the more trapped that we become.
Manon Bolliger 28:28
You know, simple things, yeah, like, I mean, community is a simple thing, yeah, it’s
Michael Kohan 28:35
why I’m moving I live in the, I like to say, the gilded prison. Right now, I live in a classic suburban, you know, community where everybody doesn’t know their neighbors, and everybody’s either in their house or in their backyard with the giant privacy fence. And I was like, I don’t want this. I was like, this is boring. So I’m I’m moving to a town that is, I’m moving to a place that has a town where you live in, you live on top of each other, and everybody knows each other’s business, and it’s not you know like and everybody knows each other, because community is what makes us feel connected. Isolation is a growing concern, but it’s also a self inflicted wound. We don’t have to be as isolated that we are. But that goes back to what we were talking about earlier, when, before we started recording this, about like, you know that the growing phenomenon that our society, our culture, seems to lack purpose these days, like we’re all just snarling at each other, you know, and saying and and looking at everybody and saying, Well, if you don’t look like me, you think like me, or believe like me, you’re somehow the enemy, and that’s my purpose. Now, instead of me finding connection and compassion, empathy and empathy, everybody that’s different than me, it’s just all lost. Everyone’s lost these days. Everyone, everyone,
Manon Bolliger 29:58
yeah. I know. I think that’s very true. It’s well captured, that that’s the the state and and there’s a victimhood that comes with it, as if we aren’t the ones who can’t change that, you know? And I think you’re right. Often it’s, it’s very simple things that make the biggest differences. But we’re, we’re trained to believe that simple is like not effective, or it’s not big enough, or not worth it. Or, why would that? You know, go for a walk,
Michael Kohan 30:35
yeah,
Manon Bolliger 30:37
leave some air, you know, touch a tree.
Michael Kohan 30:41
Yeah, I was, I literally was watching Good Morning America. I love Jane, that show with Jane Pauley, like Sunday morning. It’s great show. You get a little culture, you get a little art, you get a little politics, you get a little world events. It’s like the best of everything. It’s a nice thing to watch on the weekends when you’re just waking up. And they had a whole segment on outdoor spaces and how people are building these lavish outdoor spaces, and they were interviewing somebody, and the person said, Yeah, being outside is healthy for you. That’s why everybody wants these outdoor spaces. I’m like, doesn’t you don’t have to have these complex outdoor spaces. You can just go outside and stand in the sun for five minutes and you’ll fall better. I do that every day, every day, I make sure I go outside and I just sit there and look up at the sun and I I work full time from home. Today was a busy day. I had a call. I had a seven o’clock call, an 815 a, 930 an 1112, 30, a two, and now this I’ve been working all day. I still went outside for five minutes and looked up at the sun, and I’ll go back outside after this podcast. It’s I find, I just, I find this phenomenon Fascinating, right? And this like cultural phenomenon that we debt. We now identify our, our, our trauma and our, our, our emotional imbalances as shields and excuses. Right when I was a kid, I had ADHD, and I as a result, you know, kids with ADHD tend to have degrees of anxiety and behavioral problems, but I they weren’t excuses. My parents were like, sit still and study. It was hard, but I had to do it now. It’s my kid has ADHD let them run around and be disruptive, and that’s, I think it’s a problem. I think we I think I think we should recognize our trauma and we should validate our trauma. We shouldn’t dismiss our trauma, but we shouldn’t use our trauma as a shield
Manon Bolliger 32:49
and an excuse, yeah, or an excuse for everything.
Michael Kohan 32:53
Yeah, right. And I find like, it’s like, whenever you like, go online, anytime of the year these days, New York Times, Amazon, Goodreads, and you’ll find at least one self help book in the in the top 10 every month, without fail. And I just think it’s just because everyone is just searching for meaning, and we’ve come to a place in our society where it’s like, everybody has access to cheap clothing, cheap entertainment, cheap goods, cheap food, and everyone’s like, wait, I have all this stuff and I’m still miserable. It’s because we’ve traded all this stuff because we don’t want to deal with the tensions of this world anymore, and this stuff, this isolates us, the stuff leaves us lonely because and it’s like, whenever you hear these, like the tech bros talk about, like, AI and everything, I’m like, and they’re like, Yeah, we’re gonna create a fictionist world. We’re gonna have no friction, and you’re gonna have an AI companion. You’re gonna have aI friends, and you’re gonna have an AI assistant with that, and there’s going to be no tension. Well, that’s not gonna make you feel better, because tension is part of life. Like, you can’t walk without tension, right? Tension is what keeps you standing like there’s tension between you and the earth when you walk. There’s tension on the earth when you touch something and then you grab something, and when you hold something, there’s a tension between you and the object, right? Tension is what makes us alive, right? Without tension, we don’t have any joy, right? You can’t have pleasure without pain. You can’t have light without the shadow, and it’s just like we’re so afraid of the shadow these days, and all we want is the light. I think that it’s like, I find that really interesting, and I find it to be a big problem in the spiritual community, is all about the light, like light, be light, be light, be light. And I’m always like, where’s the shadow? What’s wrong with the shadow?
Manon Bolliger 34:57
Yeah, well, I think that’s it. You know, the exercise of being present, right, in and of itself is, is, is a tension, right? It’s a it’s a contrast in being present and then re being present because there’s that gap where you weren’t aware that you were not present, right? And that even just sitting and, you know, looking out the window, or, you know, I don’t know, we don’t have a television so I, I, I’m really outside of the culture in that sense. I have no idea what’s going on. I do, you know, see social medias, and I’m like, wow, you know, it’s a crazy kind of world. But people could say, Oh, you must be so lonely, you know, what are you doing? It’s like, you know, I do things I love, you know, I love doing interviews. I used to have a license to help people now, okay, I’m so called retired, but it’s like part of it is just being with with nature, being with people that come your way. There’s conflict, there’s not there’s it’s observing all of this and just being yourself, you know? And I think there’s a kind of a
Michael Kohan 36:23
What’s wrong with conflict,
Manon Bolliger 36:24
exactly, you know,
Michael Kohan 36:25
what’s wrong with disagreement. I can’t i i get nauseated by my friends on both so, like, as a life coach, I coach people all over this country. I coach people north, south, east, west, up, down, right, left in the middle, and I find that everybody’s the same, ultra right, ultra left, super Religious, atheist, spiritual, agnostic, straight, gay, everybody’s the same. Everybody has the same challenges, the same wants, the same needs. Sometimes we label it a little differently. Sometimes somebody has a little some sometimes we, you know, we have a little bit more extreme in one category than the other. Of course, right? Trauma is trauma. Some people have it a little bit harder than others, but by and large, unless we’re an outlier, right? Unless we have severe trauma, right? Physical harm, you know, you know emotional harm, like extremes, violence in our lives, like unless we have those extremes, and those are real. We shouldn’t ignore them. We all have the same wants and needs, but we’re afraid of the tension. We’re afraid of the conflict, right? We all, I tell this to every client, whenever I’m working with I’m like, right now we’re working on this problem, right? Maybe you have a you have imposter syndrome. Like, here’s the problem. You either always going to have imposter syndrome, or you’re going to learn to work through it, and then you won’t have imposter syndrome. But guess what? You’ll have something else next. Yeah, that’s why it’s called a project. That’s why I call my business the Elevate life project. Life is a project, right? You’re always working on something. My emotion that I struggle with is anger. There are times when my anger will get the best of me and all excessively ruminate for hours. I don’t rage and throw things and scream and yell and diminish people, but I’ll ruminate. I’ll just sit in it, right? And just sit in it, and sometimes silently, sit in it. It’s an emotion I have to work on, right? And I’ve been working on it for 20 years. I don’t allow it to control me, but it is my shadow. And too many times, when we look at our shadows, we look at our problems and go, Oh, those should go once those go away, I’ll be happy. Finally, I’ll be a good person. And I tell every client, your problems are not to go away. They’re what make you a better person if you look at them as opportunities and say, What can I have learned here to improve upon so as a result, because anger is a challenge for me, I have more empathy, I have more compassion. I’m able to recognize my emotions a little bit better, because I know that it’s destructive if I let my anger take hold, that’s all shadow work.
Manon Bolliger 39:20
Yeah, exactly, yeah. You know what, Michael, our time is up. Oh, really, no worries. How do people get hold of you and how? Tell us a little bit more, because I’m assuming they don’t have to be local.
Michael Kohan 39:36
They have clients in Australia. I have clients in Europe, I have clients in Europe. I have clients. And most of my client, I would say, like, 80% of the people I work with are in Canada or or the United States. Because, you know, the time zone purposes, Europe is good too, because, because of the time zone differences, like it does work a lot easier. Australia is a little tricky. I find. Sometimes I have to, like, kind of be like, it’s like Friday, when it’s Thursday. So it’s a little weird sometimes when I make it work. So yeah, I work with everybody. If you go to my website, elevatelifeproject.com, you’ll find my newsletter, my blog coaching articles, my, you know, my quiz where you can figure out your life purpose, and then additionally, if you’re just looking to explore coaching, I always offer one free coaching session how I started my business 15 years ago, so I do it to this day. No strings attached. Great.
Manon Bolliger 40:34
Well, thank you very much for sharing your time with us.
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Restoring Your Health Through Detoxing, Gut Health & Mindset with Steve Q Wiltshire on The Healers Café with Manon BolligerIn this episode of The Healers Café, Manon Bolliger (Deregistered naturopathic physician with 30 years of experience in health), talks with Steve...
Dr Egypt Iredia
How to Heal the Whole Self Not Just One Part with Dr Egypt Iredia on The Healers Café with Manon BolligerIn this episode of The Healers Café, Manon Bolliger (Deregistered naturopathic physician with 30 years of experience in health), talks with Dr Egypt Iredia,...
Christine Ramos
How to Connect with your Child Through Intuitive Parenting with Christine Ramos on The Healers Café with Manon Bolliger In this episode of The Healers Café, Manon Bolliger (Deregistered naturopathic physician with 30 years of experience in health), talks with...
Lee Davy
How to Use Breathwork for Improved Health with Lee Davy on The Healers Café with Manon BolligerIn this episode of The Healers Café, Manon Bolliger (Deregistered naturopathic physician with 30 years of experience in health), talks with Lee Davy Creator 5D Breathwork,...
Kerri Hummingbird
How to Connect with Your Past Self for Healing with Kerri Hummingbird on The Healers Café with Manon BolligerIn this episode of The Healers Café, Manon Bolliger (Deregistered naturopathic physician with 30 years of experience in health), talks with Kerri Hummingbird,...
Dr. Anshul Gupta, MD
How To Get Rid of Fatigue, Reduce Brain Fog with Dr Anshul Gupta, MD on The Healers Café with Manon BolligerIn this episode of The Healers Café, Manon Bolliger (Deregistered naturopathic physician with 30 years of experience in health), talks with Dr Anshul Gupta, MD,...
Ines Žiga
How To Find The Answers Already In You with Inis Žiga on The Healers Café with Manon BolligerIn this episode of The Healers Café, Manon Bolliger (Deregistered naturopathic physician with 30 years of experience in health), talks with Inis Žiga an intuitive and...
Zahara Jade
Transform and Awaken Trauma with Zahara Jade, M.A. on The Healers Café with Manon Bolliger In this episode of The Healers Café, Manon Bolliger (Deregistered naturopathic physician with 30 years of experience in health), talks with Zahara Jade, M.A., Founder of The...
Christin Collins
Diseases can be Prevented or Reversed Through Lifestyle with Christin Collins on The Healers Café with Manon Bolliger In this episode of The Healers Café, Manon Bolliger (Deregistered naturopathic physician with 30 years of experience in health), talks with Christin...
Jill L’Esperance
How to Heal Chronic Symptoms Through Bowen Therapy with Jill L'Esperance on The Healers Café with Manon Bolliger In this episode of The Healers Café, Manon Bolliger (Deregistered naturopathic physician with 30 years of experience in health), talks with Jill...
Sara Raymond
How to Let Go of Negative Beliefs with Hypnotherapy with Sara Raymond e on The Healers Café with Manon BolligerIn this episode of The Healers Café, Manon Bolliger (Deregistered with 30 years of experience in health), talks with Sara Raymond, who does Hypnotherapy,...
Jenna Howe
How to Treat Chronic Symptoms with Bowen with Jenna Howe on The Healers Café with Manon Bolliger In this episode of The Healers Café, Manon Bolliger (Deregistered with 30 years of experience in health), talks with Jenna Howe, about Bowen Therapy, Osteopathy and...
Jennifer Mannion
How to Reconnect to Your Body Through Shamanism with Jennifer Mannion on The Healers Café with Manon Bolliger (De-registered* ND after 30 years of practice)In this episode of The Healers Café, Manon talks with Jennifer Mannion, an Author, Teacher, Healing Intuitive...
Constanza Roeder
How to Express Hidden Emotions with the Arts with Constanza Roeder on The Healers Café with Dr M - Manon Bolliger [ND] (De-Registered*)In this episode of The Healers Café, Dr M - Manon Bolliger [ND] (De-Registered*), talks with Constanza Roeder, Hearts Need Art:...
Anissa Young
How to Enhance Bowen Therapy with Hypnotism with Anissa Young on The Healers Café with Dr M - Manon Bolliger [ND] (De-Registered*)In this episode of The Healers Café, Dr M - Manon Bolliger [ND] (De-Registered*), talks with Anissa Young who is a Bowen therapist,...
Nawale Ayar
How to Heal with Cranial Sacral Therapy with Nawale Ayar on The Healers Café with Dr M (Manon Bolliger), ND (retired*)In this episode of The Healers Café, Dr. Manon Bolliger ND, talks with Nawale Ayar, a Cranio-Sacral Therapist & Vagus Nerve Certified and was...
Helen Dunne
How to Use Bowen Therapy for Optimal Health with Helen Dunne on The Healers Café with Dr M (Manon Bolliger), ND (retired*)In this episode of The Healers Café, Dr. Manon Bolliger ND, talks with Helen Dunne, Bowen Therapist. Healing has to be holistic. Treating one area...
Annette Presley
How to Use Fats in Foods for Better Health with Annette Presley on The Healers Café with Dr M (Manon Bolliger), NDIn this episode of The Healers Café, Dr. Manon Bolliger ND, talks with Annette Presley, Registered and Licensed Dietitian, Certified Functional...
Lola Pickett
How to Relieve Anxiety with Lola Pickett on The Healers Café with Dr M (Manon Bolliger), NDIn this episode of The Healers Café, Dr. Manon Bolliger ND, talks with Lola Pickett, the importance of being seen, overcoming fears of success, being empaths, showing up for...
Dr Mark Mincolla, PhD
How to Make Miracles Through Conscious Thinking with Dr Mark Mincolla, PhD on The Healers Café with Dr M (Manon Bolliger), ND In this episode of The Healers Café, Dr. Manon Bolliger ND, talks with Dr Mark Mincolla, PhD about The Way of Miracles: Accessing Your...
Judith Joy
How to Create the Life You Choose with Judith Joy on The Healers Café with Dr M (Manon Bolliger), ND In this episode of The Healers Café, Dr. Manon Bolliger ND, talks with Judith Joy. It is entirely possible to change your life and create the life of your dreams....
Lori Garrity
How to Become Aligned to Relieve Fear with Lori Garrity on The Healers Café with Dr M (Manon Bolliger), NDIn this episode of The Healers Café, Dr. Manon Bolliger ND, talks with Lori Garrity, Angel Fire Reiki Practitioner Highlights from today's episode include:...
Rev Connie Habash
How Living in the Present Relieves Anxiety with Rev Connie Habash on The Healers Café with Dr M (Manon Bolliger), NDIn this episode of The Healers Café, Dr. Manon Bolliger ND, talks with Rev Connie Habash about relieving anxiety Highlights from today's episode...
Dr Charlie Cropley, ND & Dr Node Smith, ND
How to Heal the Whole Person with Dr Charlie Cropley, ND & Dr Node Smith, ND on The Healers Café with Dr M (Manon Bolliger), NDIn this episode of The Healers Café, Dr. Manon Bolliger ND, talks WITH Dr Charlie Cropley, ND & Dr Node Smith, ND about the art of...